MSRP GT350

[krt22]

I can post my opinions without debating with you, very simply concept actually.

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[Blk2015GT]

I think at the end of the day we're here to help each other, not sell knowledge; and that is the worst part of this. It is sad that a user feels the need to not be a part of the community but rather sell the knowledge.

Everywhere else I see people pitching in their time to test products and ideas.

Frankly, if I ran this site someone selling a lead for a finders fee would be permanently banned as not conducive to the intent of this forum. I hope next and every time this user needs assistance someone answers that'll be $xxx to give the response/knowledge because it's "their time" too.

 

[krt22]

:cheers::cheers:

That is the exact sense of community I get from most other car/bike/enthusiast forums.

Group buys, tech days, track days, helping out with spare parts, passing on good deals, etc etc, all are centered around a common goal/interest in a certain hobby

The majority of users are in this bucket and willing to help out fellow enthusiasts, then there are the few that view the community simply as pool of potential people to profit from. Unfortunately this profit from any and everything type mentality is becoming more and more prevalent, especially with the younger folks

 

[ohtobbad]

I agree, I would never charge, for any help I could give to someone here.
But some people "are what they are" can't change or fix it.
Mods or Admins, have to decide for themselves, what level of quality people they want here

 

[Hack]

So what you are saying is that you are all great guys and that other guy sucks. And you are trying to pressure the admin to kick him out... but you are great guys.






OK, I understand now.

 

[Steve68]

I can't speak for the other people, but yes, that's what they're...I mean...I'm saying.

I also would like to know if the purchaser of the spot in line was able to call the dealership or did they have to email?

 

[krt22]

What kind of good guy wouldn't want disingenuous members utilizing a community of enthusiasts for profit and greed, right? Im a nice guy and I say let roam free, perhaps invite a few scammers while we are at it, I mean a scammers gotta eat, know what I mean?

I do not know why many other forums disallow private users to operate as a for profit buisness however (unless they of course pay a sponsor fee, you know, to pay the website for their efforts to put together a worthwhile community). Those website's all must be run by non-great guys, great guys would let anyone profit from the user base.

 

[Blk2015GT]

So what you are saying is that you are all great guys and that other guy sucks. And you are trying to pressure the admin to kick him out... but you are great guys.






OK, I understand now.

Last time I check I've NEVER seen a user charge another for knowledge or help here. Hell I've seen users pay out of their pocket to dyno their cars to get results to post; many times and with no obligation to do so. I see users testing out new products from vendors and spending DOZENS of hours of their time to help improve them, without requesting a cent.

That is the whole point of the community, to help a fellow Mustang owner. It's also to make sure we don't let anyone fall to scammers, be it members or vendors. If a for sale part is overpriced in the buy/sell section (not a few dollars but double the value or so), members call each other out on it. Its protecting one another like a community should.

This user is just a scumbag trying to profit off our fellow members for "his time," period, and shouldn't be allowed the privilege to be part of our community IMO. The mods can do what they feel is right.

 

[CarguyCase]

I concur on the the GT350 demand exceeding supply. Truth be told, Ford knocked it out of the park with this car. Performance vs. price definitely shows in favor of value. With the R nipping the heals of the GT3 RS at Nurburgring and the base coming in sub $50k, the car is going to command and bring ADM's. I'm glad I won't be selling Camaro's this fall, just imagine the dust that is going to collect on the hoods of the Z/28?

I have been in the car business for 11 years. I recently worked for a large auto group that owned multiple Ford stores, they were taking deposits for 20-$30k over sticker... I spoke with another GM that let me read a text from a friend of his offering $100k for a 15my non R car. The car is hot, is worth every dollar and delivers a ton of bang for the buck.

I was discouraged that i wasn't going to get my car and started calling all over hells half acre to see about taking a deposit AROUND MSRP...and finally found one. I ended up paying $5k over to lock my car down. I'm not ashamed of it, I want the car and I don't want to wait till next fall to have one. I think the MSRP deals are few and far between, no ones wants to admit they paid the ADM, but at the end of the day...who cares? It's your money, and the car is going to break the fun meter every time you fire it up!!

 

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

I think it's time to lock this thread.

 

[shelby367]

ADM

Has anyone actually taken delivery of a GT350 at MSRP yet? I hope nobody shows up at the dealership to pick up a car only to find out the "manager forgot to add the ADM".
A friend of mine had made a verbal (over the phone) deal with a salesman on a Hellcat, drove 2 hours to the dealership and the salesman informed him that the manager said they had to charge an additional 20k. long story short, no Hellcat.
I hope everyone that wants one will get one at a deal they are happy with, whether that be MSRP or something else.
Mike

 

[Steve68]

You bring up a great point, Mike, and it's something I've thought about a lot over the past few weeks. There's no doubt in my mind that a significant number of people who think they have an order in for a GT350, do not, and/or they will the victim of salesman/dealership shenanigans when the car arrives at the stealership. Even people who've posted images of a DORA.

On another topic that's been on my mind. What are the insurance implications of paying an ADM? For instance, what if someone goes in and pays $10k over MSRP and then promptly (apply your definition of promptly here) totals the car in an accident (God forbid). It seems to me that a conventional insurance company is only going to pay out on the value of the car, which doesn't include the ADM, unless they have gap insurance or a collector car insurance like Hagerty.

 

[Spa2k]

That's going to be an interesting conversation to have with your insurance agent. Even for the lucky ones who got a GT350 at MSRP, is the car's value higher than you paid because of all the ADM deals and because you might not be able to replace a totaled one for what you originally paid? At the very least, I will be insuring mine with my regular insurance company as a secondary-use, "pleasure" vehicle with limited annual mileage (under 10,000).

Beyond that, there are other considerations for stated-value insurance. For example, Hagerty only will insure a 1980 or newer vehicle if it's not a daily driver. In fact, you have to prove you own another vehicle that's separately insured for daily use. And if your driving record is bad, forget it.

 

[Brutane]

Yes I agree. I ordered my GT350 on Tuesday at 5,000 ADM. I probably will insure it as a collector car through Hagerty as I have a policy with them for my 77 bandit T/A

 

[Blk2015GT]

You bring up a great point, Mike, and it's something I've thought about a lot over the past few weeks. There's no doubt in my mind that a significant number of people who think they have an order in for a GT350, do not, and/or they will the victim of salesman/dealership shenanigans when the car arrives at the stealership. Even people who've posted images of a DORA.

On another topic that's been on my mind. What are the insurance implications of paying an ADM? For instance, what if someone goes in and pays $10k over MSRP and then promptly (apply your definition of promptly here) totals the car in an accident (God forbid). It seems to me that a conventional insurance company is only going to pay out on the value of the car, which doesn't include the ADM, unless they have gap insurance or a collector car insurance like Hagerty.

I'm pretty sure the insurance doesn't care about ADM but the replacement value of the car. If you total it, say they did it on the lot brand spanking new, they are not going to likely pay your ADM back, but the MSRP value of the car.

And FYI DORAs are not contracts, it is a price quote with order number. They wouldn't likely be enforceable in court. The DORA doesnt say either party has to do anything (not even things so basic as you have to pay for the car as you can walk away after getting a DORA) but is more akin to a price quote which the law says are not contracts. The contract is the long sheet carbon copies you sign when you pick up the car. The dealer orders the and pays for the car from Ford, which you then pay the dealer for. The dealer really owns the car until you sign on pickup and pay the full amount to perform on the contract.

I have no doubt either a good number of people who think/brag about a MSRP order will be without a car if someone walks in within the next few months and is willing to pay more or ADM.

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