MagneRide calibration

[ivanuke]

Hey guys, quick question here. I placed my order for a GT350 with track pack which I hope to get sometime in December.

Im more interested in making this primarily a track day car, so I would like to know if the MagneRide settings for the none R track pack are the same or if they're calibrated differently for the R but with different spring rates? Could you just order the different bits (tires, springs, bushing if they're different, ect) that the R has and use on the track pack to get similar performance? Minus the added weight and carbon fiber wheels of course.

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[TDC]

My understanding from listening to the Ford videos is the R model has specific magneride calibration to the higher rate front springs and lighter carbon fiber wheels when compared with a track pack non-r.

When asked about putting a carbon fiber R wheel on a track pack non-r car the ford employee said the suspension was not well controlled with the track pack non-r magneride calibration.

Sounds like switching to the lighter carbon wheels may have some negative effects on a non-r car with magneride. (I'm not sure what thread has the video I'm referencing.)

 

[ivanuke]

My understanding from listening to the Ford videos is the R model has specific magneride calibration to the higher rate front springs and lighter carbon fiber wheels when compared with a track pack non-r.

When asked about putting a carbon fiber R wheel on a track pack non-r car the ford employee said the suspension was not well controlled with the track pack non-r magneride calibration.

Sounds like switching to the lighter carbon wheels may have some negative effects on a non-r car with magneride. (I'm not sure what thread has the video I'm referencing.)

Thanks for the info! I wonder if the magneride shocks are the same part number for both cars? Hopefully in the future you can calibrate it the same with after market tuners?

 

[Nataphen]

The dampers are actually designed differently. They have discussed coming up with aftermarket Ford Performance programs for the non R cars though.

 

[DrumReaper]

The shocks should be the same... The setting going to the shocks should be different.

 

[Nataphen]

The shocks should be the same... The setting going to the shocks should be different.

But they aren't. The R dampers are designed differently, so you can't use R programming on a non R.

 

[TraKWeapon]

The shocks should be the same... The setting going to the shocks should be different.

They are not the same. The slot valves are smaller on the R dampers which makes them stiffer before any calibration.

 

[DrumReaper]

They are not the same. The slot valves are smaller on the R dampers which makes them stiffer before any calibration.

Cool... Great info guys. Thanks for sharing and setting the record. Helps us all get a little wiser. :cheers:

 

[Nataphen]

No problem. That's what forums are for. I learn something daily here it seems.

 

[jmimac351]

Hey guys, quick question here. I placed my order for a GT350 with track pack which I hope to get sometime in December.

Im more interested in making this primarily a track day car, so I would like to know if the MagneRide settings for the none R track pack are the same or if they're calibrated differently for the R but with different spring rates? Could you just order the different bits (tires, springs, bushing if they're different, ect) that the R has and use on the track pack to get similar performance? Minus the added weight and carbon fiber wheels of course.

I think you may be very surprised how track capable this car is. I made a point to ride in and drive a non-R car at Sebring. It's head and shoulders above any other Mustang I've ridden in or driven on a racetrack.

If I owned a regular GT350, I'd by a spare set of 19x11 wheels and run 305 Nitto NT-01s at all 4 corners and beat the snot out of it.

The Nittos *may* make you want to tweak some things, because the grip level will be different. I bet it would be real good right out of the box. I wouldn't assume you need to throw a lot of parts at this car to be happy with it. This car is a different animal.

 

[TraKWeapon]

I think you may be very surprised how track
If I owned a regular GT350, I'd by a spare set of 19x11 wheels and run 305 Nitto NT-01s at all 4 corners and beat the snot out of it.

As of now that's close to what I plan on doing. I might pop for the PSC2 GT350 specific tires for my first tires but may move to the NT01's, which I run now, later. BTW Nitto just came out with a 325/30/19 NT01.

 

[jmimac351]

As of now that's close to what I plan on doing. I might pop for the PSC2 GT350 specific tires for my first tires but may move to the NT01's, which I run now, later. BTW Nitto just came out with a 325/30/19 NT01.

I was extremely impressed with the grip from the "regular" Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires. When I looked them up I was very surprised to see that they are a 300TW rating. Wow. I've never been in the Super Sport market for tires. Michelin knows how to do it.

In that same 305 size, there are Hankook RS-3 tires which are awesome. If I had to drive the car to the track, I'd have the RS-3 in a 305 on it and it would be awesome. I'd be surprised if that setup wasn't great. A number of companies are going after that 200TW tire market for Daily Driver / Track Day / Autocross guys.

On our '94 Miata ChumpCar, which we have 6 podiums in (just sayin' we know how to do this), we've been using the RS-3. For the 14hr Sebring race this past Sept, we had to run a Toyo R1R. TireRack was out of our size in the RS-3 when we went to order. Our car was slower, and the tire was obliterated by the end of the race. Yeah, a couple of flat spots, but the tread was smeared across the tire. Initially we thought it might do well, as the tire felt pretty soft, and this tire was re-rated by Toyo UP to 200TW. Toyo gave some explanation about why. My guess, the "why" was because 200TW is a common thing for certain low-buck racing series, and their accountants re-rated the tire. By way of comparison, we can easily go over 20 racing hours on the Hankook RS-3, and it's faster - in our experience.

What do tires have to do with shocks? Everything.

 

[TraKWeapon]

Yikes, good thing it didn't pop during the race.

Thanks for the tips.

 

[mattlqx]

I was extremely impressed with the grip from the "regular" Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires. When I looked them up I was very surprised to see that they are a 300TW rating. Wow. I've never been in the Super Sport market for tires. Michelin knows how to do it.

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Initially we thought it might do well, as the tire felt pretty soft, and this tire was re-rated by Toyo UP to 200TW. Toyo gave some explanation about why. My guess, the "why" was because 200TW is a common thing for certain low-buck racing series, and their accountants re-rated the tire. By way of comparison, we can easily go over 20 racing hours on the Hankook RS-3, and it's faster - in our experience.

And for all of the above reasons, that's why treadwear rating is bogus and shouldn't be used as an indicator of absolute performance. Yet for whatever reason, the bigger leagues like NASA and SCCA use treadwear in the rule book for what constitutes a street tire versus a race tire; something that will bump you into another class. And 200 is the magic number. LeMons and Chump are small potatoes.

So if organizations want to just go by an unregulated number on the sidewall, manufacturers are happy to oblige and play that game to give racers more options and stickier tires.

 

[jmimac351]

And for all of the above reasons, that's why treadwear rating is bogus and shouldn't be used as an indicator of absolute performance. Yet for whatever reason, the bigger leagues like NASA and SCCA use treadwear in the rule book for what constitutes a street tire versus a race tire; something that will bump you into another class. And 200 is the magic number. LeMons and Chump are small potatoes.

So if organizations want to just go by an unregulated number on the sidewall, manufacturers are happy to oblige and play that game to give racers more options and stickier tires.

Yup. Unfortunately, the only way to really compare and "know" tires is to buy them.

Michelin Pilot Super Sport is good stuff. It will be interesting to see how the wear is on this fat pig.

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