Lund tune/build thread (2nd attempt)

[Burkey]

[MENTION=13598]Gibbo205[/MENTION]
As always, a very handy response, full of information and practical insight. Thanks heaps for being part of this thread. Really appreciated. :clap2:
Seems to be a theme developing here.
It's not "crap" it's just excessive I suppose.
Your experience is clearly different now that you have the GT350 IM and have toyed with the TB at various points.

I'll email them for a revision re: DBW settings.
What is FAO? For Attention of All? Not computer literate sorry :doh:
At this point they aren't keen to revise the tune itself until the false-knock is gone. Guessing there's no point trying to add timing if the car will just pull it out anyway?
I'll be doing some "live" datalogging tomorrow with the brains trust to see if we can find a work around of any sort.

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[Gibbo205]

[MENTION=13598]Gibbo205[/MENTION]
As always, a very handy response, full of information and practical insight. Thanks heaps for being part of this thread. Really appreciated. :clap2:
Seems to be a theme developing here.
It's not "crap" it's just excessive I suppose.
Your experience is clearly different now that you have the GT350 IM and have toyed with the TB at various points.

I'll email them for a revision re: DBW settings.
What is FAO? For Attention of All? Not computer literate sorry :doh:
At this point they aren't keen to revise the tune itself until the false-knock is gone. Guessing there's no point trying to add timing if the car will just pull it out anyway?
I'll be doing some "live" datalogging tomorrow with the brains trust to see if we can find a work around of any sort.

FAO: For Attention Off


You need to cure that false knock first before anything, never add more timing whilst the car has an issue. You need to get that cured pronto as it will be really limiting your power.

Once that is cured, firs get them to fix the throttle, because the throttle issue becomes more problematic with the more timing you run as timing makes the car a lot more punchier, so combine that with a touchy and over-sensitive throttle and the car being more responsive/punchy due to timing and the problem only gets worse on the throttle not better.

So on the throttle just say to them, I want my throttle to behave just like the stock car, of course if it can be smoother than stock great, but I don't want it more sensitive.

So push them for that, because even with complete Ford stock throttle maps, torque and drive by wire settings the car in the end will still be more responsive due to the additional timing, power and torque you now have which all impact throttle sensitivity as well.

 

[Burkey]

I can say the same with mine auto when i hit the bump the foot slightly moves and makes the car behave that way with stock tune.
My other problem is out on the track on my 3rd session (approx 30 laps) the transmission starts to behave in a way that it does not want to upshift in sport manual mode using padles. There are no fault codes in the system or warning lights on dash, the dealer does not know what is wrong with it and the technical guys have nothing to go off.

It feels like the car is surging, starving of fuel or going into limp home mode, the dealer has update the PCM with the latest software the other week and i guess will see what happens on Saturday out on the track again.
I have my Ngauge installed and Lund tune ready to go, might have to flush that in at the track and see if it makes any difference and possibly data log it and send it away for review and adjustment.
Might even maybe get the technical guy out and show him the logged data and see what they have to say about that.They may have to fix it the same way that they have done with the Police mustangs and the simular issue that i think i might be having with mine.

Doesn't sound good to me.
I wouldn't be flashing the tune to the car until you're ABSOLUTELY happy with the car in factory trim.
Warranty.
They may just wipe their hands clean of you if it's been flashed, even if you return it to stock.
Just saying. :cheers:

 

[Gibbo205]

Hi there

Can all you guys with a Lund tune, do me a favour and fill in this submit a request form:
https://support.lundracing.com/hc/en-us/requests/new


The below is what I wrote to them, if you can all do similar, I feel enough of us will cause them to re-edit their base map and switch all the damn crazy pedal max gas pedal effect shit off.



"Hi there

First of all, I want to say you guys are fantastic and the service/response from Dakota has being great.

Now onto a problem that myself and a few others have running your NA tunes in the UK and Australia.

Your tune effects the gas pedal sensitivity, so essentially after the tune is loaded the gas pedal feels like race mode is activated even in normal mode, but even more so.

I am running 350 IM, 350 TB & 350 CAI, my friend is running stock IM, stock TB and PMAS CAI and another friend is running completely stock and just tune.

We all have the same issue, the throttle is too sensitive causing it to be touchy. Dakota on my tune did try stuff like setting torque tables to factory ford and some drive by wire tweaks, but it is still too touchy, we even tried re-fitting the stock throttle body, but again too touchy. The other Lund tuned cars I drove have the same issue, though not as pronounced.

I have sent around ten customers your way and some of them love the extra gas pedal sensitivity, whereas some of us including myself prefer it stock.

As such would it be possible to get our tunes with completely Ford factory/stock throttle maps, drive by wire and torque table settings please? We just want our gas pedal to be stock or as close too as possible.

Aside from that, the power is amazing and there are no other issues, all we want is the gas pedal to be like the stock car or as close too as possible. Right now it feels pedal maxed, normal mode feels like race mode and then some meaning we no long use sport or race modes, sometimes even resort to wet mode for the less touchy throttle.

Any help would be great and hugely appreciated.

Regards,
Andrew Gibson a big Lund fan. "

 

[Burkey]

Done Gibbo!
Also sent an accompanying email to my tuner directly.
I'm genuinely hoping they can do something about it.
I'd even be happy if they could just slow down the first 10% of the throttle travel.
Eg. First 10% = 5% blade for example

Hi there

Can all you guys with a Lund tune, do me a favour and fill in this submit a request form:
https://support.lundracing.com/hc/en-us/requests/new


The below is what I wrote to them, if you can all do similar, I feel enough of us will cause them to re-edit their base map and switch all the damn crazy pedal max gas pedal effect shit off.



"Hi there

First of all, I want to say you guys are fantastic and the service/response from Dakota has being great.

Now onto a problem that myself and a few others have running your NA tunes in the UK and Australia.

Your tune effects the gas pedal sensitivity, so essentially after the tune is loaded the gas pedal feels like race mode is activated even in normal mode, but even more so.

I am running 350 IM, 350 TB & 350 CAI, my friend is running stock IM, stock TB and PMAS CAI and another friend is running completely stock and just tune.

We all have the same issue, the throttle is too sensitive causing it to be touchy. Dakota on my tune did try stuff like setting torque tables to factory ford and some drive by wire tweaks, but it is still too touchy, we even tried re-fitting the stock throttle body, but again too touchy. The other Lund tuned cars I drove have the same issue, though not as pronounced.

I have sent around ten customers your way and some of them love the extra gas pedal sensitivity, whereas some of us including myself prefer it stock.

As such would it be possible to get our tunes with completely Ford factory/stock throttle maps, drive by wire and torque table settings please? We just want our gas pedal to be stock or as close too as possible.

Aside from that, the power is amazing and there are no other issues, all we want is the gas pedal to be like the stock car or as close too as possible. Right now it feels pedal maxed, normal mode feels like race mode and then some meaning we no long use sport or race modes, sometimes even resort to wet mode for the less touchy throttle.

Any help would be great and hugely appreciated.

Regards,
Andrew Gibson a big Lund fan. "

 

[Gibbo205]

Done Gibbo!
Also sent an accompanying email to my tuner directly.
I'm genuinely hoping they can do something about it.
I'd even be happy if they could just slow down the first 10% of the throttle travel.
Eg. First 10% = 5% blade for example

Slowing it down won't work unfortunately, as it will still be touchy if your trying to hold the car on the throttle say at 4000rpm through a corner as your then really in the power band as to speak and if the throttle is being touchy your gonna have 400HP very hard to keep contained.

They just need to reset everything back to factory and thanks for contact them. The more of us who do, the more likely the chief tuner will re-write the base maps for those who want the option of stock gas pedal or pedal max gas pedal.

 

[Burkey]

Slowing it down won't work unfortunately, as it will still be touchy if your trying to hold the car on the throttle say at 4000rpm through a corner as your then really in the power band as to speak and if the throttle is being touchy your gonna have 400HP very hard to keep contained.

They just need to reset everything back to factory and thanks for contact them. The more of us who do, the more likely the chief tuner will re-write the base maps for those who want the option of stock gas pedal or pedal max gas pedal.

I don't really TRY to contain it
My driving style mostly revolves around power oversteer :eyebulge:
Grip is what happens when you don't have enough throttle applied.

 

[Gibbo205]

I don't really TRY to contain it
My driving style mostly revolves around power oversteer :eyebulge:
Grip is what happens when you don't have enough throttle applied.

Haha!

I am a smooth driver, so roll into the throttle when accelerating from an apex and expect acceleration to be smooth and gradual with it, so now when I apply a touch more and get what feels like full throttle well I tend to be turning more and more into a power oversteer driver by the day.

 

[Gibbo205]

Now this is why I like Lund!

The actual owner and master calibrator has sent me a really nice email, explaining the time and effort they put into tweaking the DBW for more response as there customers love it.

However he understands that us UK/Oz drivers maybe different and will sort or try to sort something.

Now that is service!

 

[Burkey]

Now this is why I like Lund!

The actual owner and master calibrator has sent me a really nice email, explaining the time and effort they put into tweaking the DBW for more response as there customers love it.

However he understands that us UK/Oz drivers maybe different and will sort or try to sort something.

Now that is service!

Same email here.
There is just no knocking this company. Customer service at its finest. :hail:

 

[Burkey]

Revised tune arrived while I slept.
Mr. Lund himself says that the tables are OEM up to 5,500rpm, suggesting that it is purely the extra power causing the issue.
Given the new "urgency" of the car, I have no reason to doubt his judgement.
The revision will be flashed to the car today, results will be in by the end of the day.
Very impressive customer service, no complaints here.

 

[Gibbo205]

Revised tune arrived while I slept.
Mr. Lund himself says that the tables are OEM up to 5,500rpm, suggesting that it is purely the extra power causing the issue.
Given the new "urgency" of the car, I have no reason to doubt his judgement.
The revision will be flashed to the car today, results will be in by the end of the day.
Very impressive customer service, no complaints here.

He is working on my tune file for me as he says on 350 setup it is a bit different so he is doing some tweaks.

Looking forward to seeing your new spark and maf lb numbers buddy.

 

[stasik-a4]

Doesn't sound good to me.
I wouldn't be flashing the tune to the car until you're ABSOLUTELY happy with the car in factory trim.
Warranty.
They may just wipe their hands clean of you if it's been flashed, even if you return it to stock.
Just saying. :cheers:

Yea i know what your saying about the whole thing, the problem that i'm facing is that they (people at Ford) don't know or don't want to know what the issue is or whats causing it to behave like that after being driven hard for some time.

The standard responce i got from them is that we can not replicate it to experience or see what the car is doing, and the other thing they have sugested was that i might be pushing the car past it's limits and that's why its shutting down for safety reasons.

At that point i have told the service manager that Ford has put a track mode switch in the car which is active and im trying to use it and can't. So he better go back and speak to his people and have some real answers and explanations available to me.
Working in automotive industry and running a workshop just like him i'm not a standard average joe blow who is going to accept these responces.

So i think at least with Lund tune in the car it can be logged and sent to them to see what the hell is going on and getting them to fix it or if its not in the tune and a hardware fault then i can get Ford to fix it some how as long as i know where the problem is.

Can the Ngauge still be used to data log with stock file in the car?

 

[Burkey]

Yea i know what your saying about the whole thing, the problem that i'm facing is that they (people at Ford) don't know or don't want to know what the issue is or whats causing it to behave like that after being driven hard for some time.

The standard responce i got from them is that we can not replicate it to experience or see what the car is doing, and the other thing they have sugested was that i might be pushing the car past it's limits and that's why its shutting down for safety reasons.

At that point i have told the service manager that Ford has put a track mode switch in the car which is active and im trying to use it and can't. So he better go back and speak to his people and have some real answers and explanations available to me.
Working in automotive industry and running a workshop just like him i'm not a standard average joe blow who is going to accept these responces.

So i think at least with Lund tune in the car it can be logged and sent to them to see what the hell is going on and getting them to fix it or if its not in the tune and a hardware fault then i can get Ford to fix it some how as long as i know where the problem is.

Can the Ngauge still be used to data log with stock file in the car?

Yes, you can use the Ngauge to log the factory tune.
The rest of your story sucks mate.
"Outside it limits" is what exactly?

 

[stasik-a4]

"Outside it limits" is what exactly?

That was my exact responce to him and yet still to get the answer. They said that they have reflashed the PCM to new version, so will see if it makes any difference out on track on Saturday.:frusty::(

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