Loaded Eco boost or BASE GT?!

[Norm Peterson]

The premium is the same as the performance pack in value for content!. For the content, it's worth the cost of admission. Getting the better sound system, heated and cooled seats in leather, toggles, interior lighting, puddle lights, bumper. Trying to get all of this purchased and installed for what the premium package costs from the factory. Is a losing proposition.

If you actively do not want some of those things and couldn't care less about most of the others, the value of the premium fades a bit. Maybe a lot.


Norm

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[Oldgitst]

Don't think I ever understand this argument, it happens in the uk too.
Buy a eb for 7k less but if you spend the 7k you get a car as powerful as the gt ?
However, you lose resale, reliability , and the gorgeous sound.
It's a ridiculous argument.
It's like comparing an apple against a banana .... Spend 7k on a gt and you get 750hp.
They are not the same cars to start with at all which is what makes the argument worthless.

Buy a eb if you want the characteristics of a 4cyl engine and its power delivery and measure it up against other LIKE minded cars. It has to stand on its own merits.
If you are buying one with the hope to transform it into a gt your buying the wrong car to start with. The gt's charm lies totally in the V8 and the characteristics that come with that.

If your even asking the question like the OP , you already know the answer yourself, ..... ...... GT.

Anyway, my 2 pennies sorry cents worth from the UK ....
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[Jdenkevitz]

Don't think I ever understand this argument, it happens in the uk too.
Buy a eb for 7k less but if you spend the 7k you get a car as powerful as the gt ?
However, you lose resale, reliability , and the gorgeous sound.
It's a ridiculous argument.
It's like comparing an apple against a banana .... Spend 7k on a gt and you get 750hp.
They are not the same cars to start with at all which is what makes the argument worthless.

Buy a eb if you want the characteristics of a 4cyl engine and its power delivery and measure it up against other LIKE minded cars. It has to stand on its own merits.
If you are buying one with the hope to transform it into a gt your buying the wrong car to start with. The gt's charm lies totally in the V8 and the characteristics that come with that.

Depends on what they are looking for. Not everyone focus on sound and resale value.

Its a worthwhile comparison if the person is willing to modify the car themselves and isn't concerned with warranty. Some, like myself, are concerned with warranty, others are not.

I think the EB does very much stand on its own merits. Given an equivalent budget, I would wager the EB will outperform the GT in certain types of racing.

My reasoning is that you do not need to put $7,000+ into an ecoboost to get equivalent speed. It can be done for much less and you end up with a lighter car. This leaves addition monies to be spent in other improvements. For the individual looking for maximum performance for a given budget, things such as the "v-8 sound"/character may be meaningless. I get it, V-8's are cool, I myself bounced from the EB to a GT and that was a big factor. But others may not care about "the sound".

Putting 7k into an EB could get you a lighter car with significant drivetrain modifications (cf driveshaft, aftermarket IC, Custom Tune, Lightened flywheel, BOV, aftermarket lightweight wheels (chop off 10lbs per wheel compared to stock wheels)). lightening in this manner will really change the character/responsiveness. All this for the same cost as the stock GT.

This is all feasible because Ford left a ton of power on the table with their stock EB tune. A $600 custom tune gives you amazing gains in the EB.

So dollar for dollar, presented with say 34 to 36 grand, you could end up with a potentially more capable modified EB compared to the GT you could acquire for the same amount. But it wouldn't have that v8 sound.

See how that's something someone may want to consider?

Since you mentioned it, its also worth noting that spending 7k will not get you 750hp with the coyote, at least not for very long before your transmission/clutch falls to pieces or you snap your half shafts. That kind of power requires other upgrades that are going to bring the cost up several more thousand.

 

[15wile]

Ouch! It is the truth unfortunately

Around here, most enthusiasts (Unless you're a shop trying to sell parts) dog the EB more than the V6.

Everybody dogs something, and gets dogged in turn. You buy a 4 banger? Get dogged by V8 guys. Buy the GT? Get dogged by those who went premium, perf. pack. Get all that? Get dogged by GT350 guys, or guys who spend $$ on supercharger, etc...

Get all that? I'm sure a guy with a Ford GT wants a word with you. Get that? Maybe the guy with a Veyron scoffs at your peasant supercar. Buy that? Well, Han Solo once did the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs.

If you're into your car, you're going to take sh*t from somebody about the damned thing. Don't decide based on that. I did, and I'm a dumbass. I take as much sh*t for having a slow GT without a lot of mods as I did having an Ecoboost. Difference is, *I* am happy with the GT (despite having bought it because I was tired of the 4 banger question, I wound up liking my GT a lot), so the dogging is less bothersome. I wasn't happy with the EB, and so the sh*t got to me.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

If you actively do not want some of those things and couldn't care less about most of the others, the value of the premium fades a bit. Maybe a lot.


Norm

LOL is premium package a perfect package? NO! Is the PP a perfect package for handling? Again NO! But for the content and price of installing items piece meal vs what you get in the package. Both packages are a bargain. I don't know why people want to argue this point? People that don't want the fru fru stuff have an option in the base model. People that want cooled seats and leather have an option. It's like people begrudge the other groups that spent extra on both packages to have the better optioned cars.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Depends on what they are looking for. Not everyone focus on sound and resale value.

Its a worthwhile comparison if the person is willing to modify the car themselves and isn't concerned with warranty. Some, like myself, are concerned with warranty, others are not.

I think the EB does very much stand on its own merits. Given an equivalent budget, I would wager the EB will outperform the GT in certain types of racing.

My reasoning is that you do not need to put $7,000+ into an ecoboost to get equivalent speed. It can be done for much less and you end up with a lighter car. This leaves addition monies to be spent in other improvements. For the individual looking for maximum performance for a given budget, things such as the "v-8 sound"/character may be meaningless. I get it, V-8's are cool, I myself bounced from the EB to a GT and that was a big factor. But others may not care about "the sound".

Putting 7k into an EB could get you a lighter car with significant drivetrain modifications (cf driveshaft, aftermarket IC, Custom Tune, Lightened flywheel, BOV, aftermarket lightweight wheels (chop off 10lbs per wheel compared to stock wheels)). lightening in this manner will really change the character/responsiveness. All this for the same cost as the stock GT.

This is all feasible because Ford left a ton of power on the table with their stock EB tune. A $600 custom tune gives you amazing gains in the EB.

So dollar for dollar, presented with say 34 to 36 grand, you could end up with a potentially more capable modified EB compared to the GT you could acquire for the same amount. But it wouldn't have that v8 sound.

See how that's something someone may want to consider?

Since you mentioned it, its also worth noting that spending 7k will not get you 750hp with the coyote, at least not for very long before your transmission/clutch falls to pieces or you snap your half shafts. That kind of power requires other upgrades that are going to bring the cost up several more thousand.

I'll take that bet. A 400 dollar tune and $800 headers on the GT has you beating tuned/bolt-on EBs. Your going to have to spend half of your 7 grand in matching the GTs bolt on power. The GT can spend $5500 on suspension and tires. Because thanks to it's V8 it already has a huge power advantage.

 

[15wile]

I'll take that bet. A 400 dollar tune and $800 headers on the GT has you beating tuned/bolt-on EBs. Your going to have to spend half of your 7 grand in matching the GTs bolt on power. The GT can spend $5500 on suspension and tires. Because thanks to it's V8 it already has a huge power advantage.

Dumb question: which set of headers, are they catless, and are they really only $800?

 

[wireeater]

Dumb question: which set of headers, are they catless, and are they really only $800?

Texas Speed & Performance catless headers are $599, $799 catted.

http://www.texas-speed.com/p-5293-t...nnection-pipes.aspx?keyword=25-tsp15mstng178h

 

[15wile]

Texas Speed & Performance catless headers are $599, $799 catted.

http://www.texas-speed.com/p-5293-t...nnection-pipes.aspx?keyword=25-tsp15mstng178h

Thx. Super cheap. Catless + tune = ?? gains?

 

[wireeater]

Thx. Super cheap. Catless + tune = ?? gains?

I think the typical gains are around 35-40whp area. Just cat deletes on stock headers can yield 20-25whp.

 

[Jdenkevitz]

I'll take that bet. A 400 dollar tune and $800 headers on the GT has you beating tuned/bolt-on EBs. Your going to have to spend half of your 7 grand in matching the GTs bolt on power. The GT can spend $5500 on suspension and tires. Because thanks to it's V8 it already has a huge power advantage.

I'm not proposing that you consider the cost of each vehicle as a wash. Its about total spend. Ie I have a budget of X and want the best performance platform for my needs.

If its 35 -40 grand consider getting the EB, as it gives you significantly more room for additional modifications. A base PP EB can be acquired for 25k. Figure 3 grand on basic fundamental power mods to get a great tune, racing IC, BOV, catch can, and downpipes/exhaust. 28k from 35k leaves quite a bit of money to play with to upgrade e85, CF Driveshaft, lightened Flywheel, Lightweight Wheels, Michelin Pilot SS Tires, and you are still around the cost of the STOCK PP GT.

I really wish they used lighter wheels on the PP!

If you have a higher budget, the GT may be the better starting platform, as it has a higher potential endpoint (if you have 10 grand to spend on Forced Induction). But with those monies, would it make more sense to get a GT350 or a Camaro2ss.

Its a bang for buck assessment. I'm ignoring emotional attachments (v8 Warboy Cult), and some practical considerations (warranty, cost/time of modification installation, etc.)

 

[canyon ed]

It seems in So Cal the GT has a better resale value. I have seen used EB convertibles in the low $20's

 

[TurboMetal]

I think if you're even considering a GT then get the GT. I wanted the turbo and RWD setup for a good price. If you're not looking for that specifically, chances are you're gonna wish you bought the v8.

 

[15wile]

Side note: heated seats, my diet, and my lower intestine are a combination that is best avoided...

 

[Oldgitst]

Depends on what they are looking for. Not everyone focus on sound and resale value.

Its a worthwhile comparison if the person is willing to modify the car themselves and isn't concerned with warranty. Some, like myself, are concerned with warranty, others are not.

I think the EB does very much stand on its own merits. Given an equivalent budget, I would wager the EB will outperform the GT in certain types of racing.

My reasoning is that you do not need to put $7,000+ into an ecoboost to get equivalent speed. It can be done for much less and you end up with a lighter car. This leaves addition monies to be spent in other improvements. For the individual looking for maximum performance for a given budget, things such as the "v-8 sound"/character may be meaningless. I get it, V-8's are cool, I myself bounced from the EB to a GT and that was a big factor. But others may not care about "the sound".

Putting 7k into an EB could get you a lighter car with significant drivetrain modifications (cf driveshaft, aftermarket IC, Custom Tune, Lightened flywheel, BOV, aftermarket lightweight wheels (chop off 10lbs per wheel compared to stock wheels)). lightening in this manner will really change the character/responsiveness. All this for the same cost as the stock GT.

This is all feasible because Ford left a ton of power on the table with their stock EB tune. A $600 custom tune gives you amazing gains in the EB.

So dollar for dollar, presented with say 34 to 36 grand, you could end up with a potentially more capable modified EB compared to the GT you could acquire for the same amount. But it wouldn't have that v8 sound.

See how that's something someone may want to consider?

Since you mentioned it, its also worth noting that spending 7k will not get you 750hp with the coyote, at least not for very long before your transmission/clutch falls to pieces or you snap your half shafts. That kind of power requires other upgrades that are going to bring the cost up several more thousand.

I get the eb is a decent car and don't want my comments to come over all I've got a gt so must be the best..... What I was trying to say was, would you buy a 2 litre bmw 3 series and try to make it an M3 .... No you wouldn't. Would you compare the 2 cars side by side, no you wouldn't. Would you enjoy the 2 cars INDIVIDUALLY on their merits, yes you would.
Og

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