Limp Mode on the Track

[Zitrosounds]

It will never END!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHH!

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[superman07]

Yes, people with zero skin in the game, with coolers, refuse to quit shitting on those that do not. It doesn't end, and your non productive comments in each and every possible thread with your opinion without any possible first hand knowledge of a cooler less car do not help. I only make my statements as they are factual and can help others with a base or tech. I dont care if some want to apologize for Ford at every turn belittling those with issues.

As for my route, I can make my own thanks, but sense everyone seems so quick to fuck with me due to their own implied opinions about the car sans coolers I will not be leaving from Columbus, I will also be driving north from Morgantown to visit family in Uniontown, and also going to Nemacolin, not that it is any of anyone elses business.

But I'm glad you have a map. Would you like me to print out a manifest and route description for the dispatch sir?

Why cant some people just worry about themselves.

 

[superman07]

Bottom line is the car should not be hitting limp mode on the street. Regardless of how long you stay in any gear. For track use and abuse I totally understand. On the street in ANY driving conditions the car should not be limiting itself.

Indeed, but the trolls refuse to quit shitting on every thread that tries to just share info. This forum is like a Ford ARFCOM.

I swear some of you must have a ford logo on your direct deposit. I'm out. I'm tired or arguing with people that refuse to listen and instead attack messengers. Wait and see for yourself.

 

[krt22]

exactly, in most traffic 5th is needed to get out of your own way

In which case you can simply downshift, pass/evade and then go back to 6th.

But in traffic at 50 is a bit different than 80mph in 5th for no real reason at all. It should not over-hear either way, but cruising in 5th at 80 is just needless heat generation

 

[Old Car Guy]

Yes, people with zero skin in the game, with coolers, refuse to quit shitting on those that do not. It doesn't end, and your non productive comments in each and every possible thread with your opinion without any possible first hand knowledge of a cooler less car do not help. I only make my statements as they are factual and can help others with a base or tech. I dont care if some want to apologize for Ford at every turn belittling those with issues.

As for my route, I can make my own thanks, but sense everyone seems so quick to fuck with me due to their own implied opinions about the car sans coolers I will not be leaving from Columbus, I will also be driving north from Morgantown to visit family in Uniontown, and also going to Nemacolin, not that it is any of anyone elses business.

But I'm glad you have a map. Would you like me to print out a manifest and route description for the dispatch sir?

Why cant some people just worry about themselves.

Wow I do not need a MAP, and no you do not need to print me out a manifest and route that you want to take sir, I just asked what Mountains you were talking about sir, but I can see you are one very unhappy person, and I'm sorry that I asked any thing about your fricken trip, so if you think that your 350 may go into the limp mode, then drive something else, who else have you gone off on today, good luck on your trip, superman07, if your 350 goes in the limp mode superman, pick it up and fly it there. :frusty:

 

[barstowpo]

I have been driving some in 100+ weather this week. No hills or long trips but no issues either. I will be driving this weekend and we'll see.

 

[Zitrosounds]

I have been driving some in 100+ weather this week. No hills or long trips but no issues either. I will be driving this weekend and we'll see.

Enjoy the drive Gordon! I hope you never see limp mode.

 

[barstowpo]

Me too. I did see it once at the track.

 

[montreal ponies]

changed my tranny fluid to full synthetic
will see what happens this weekend. sat is gonna rain the pace will be slower.

What brand fluid did you get ?

 

[superman07]

Wow I do not need a MAP, and no you do not need to print me out a manifest and route that you want to take sir, I just asked what Mountains you were talking about sir, but I can see you are one very unhappy person, and I'm sorry that I asked any thing about your fricken trip, so if you think that your 350 may go into the limp mode, then drive something else, who else have you gone off on today, good luck on your trip, superman07, if your 350 goes in the limp mode superman, pick it up and fly it there. :frusty:

bullshit you were trolling and got called out.

 

[Old Car Guy]

bullshit you were trolling and got called out.

No I wasn't, I just asked what Mountains your were talking about, you said it was a four hour drive from Columbus Ohio to Morgantown West Virginia, and I live in Parkersburg WV, sir that's why I asked about the Mountains, and I see your still one unhappy guy!!!!!!! :ford: :cheers:

 

[gravedgr]

Indeed, but the trolls refuse to quit shitting on every thread that tries to just share info. This forum is like a Ford ARFCOM.

I swear some of you must have a ford logo on your direct deposit. I'm out. I'm tired or arguing with people that refuse to listen and instead attack messengers. Wait and see for yourself.

screen name?

 

[142KMPH]

Reply from FordTechService

I just put our car in for service exactly for this issue, we will see what they say now. I didn't even get an hour into the drive, granted this wasn't like I was racing or anything, but of course there was not codes in the computer when they plugged into it. I still love the car, it turns heads so fast, and it still smokes down the highway, but I am concerned about this becoming an issue with daily driving.

So I feel like I should update everyone on the learning curve here. I received a reply from Ford and I am getting all the information documented in the event there are more folks with the issue.

Ford put our a tech alert #5542 Effective date 27-April-2016

"Some 2015-2016 Mustang GT350 vehicles not equipped with the optional Track Package may experience high transmission fluid temperatures from extended high speed or racetrack operation. The PCM will reduce power and/or RPM in addition to storing P0218 and P1783 DTCs when this occurs. This should be considered a normal operating condition for vehicles not equipped with an external transmission oil cooler. Customers should be reminded to refer to the owner guide for recommendations on sustained high speed or track use and possible warranty implications. This notice does not apply to GT350R or GT350 Track Package equipped vehicles."

As of now, Ford has not offered any remedy for the Tech Package limp issue. My dealer, which is just learning about these cars, has offered to replace the transmission and add the transmission cooler for $6800, and drivetrain warranty will remain in effect. Ford Performance is working on a aftermarket cooler, but this will void the factory warranty since it is will not be OEM. If you experience one of these episodes I ask you to take in your tech pack car to log an event with Ford Service, the government will not mandate a recall unless a percentage of these cars displays the same issue, and or it represents a hazard to drivers. I plan to take mine in every time I trigger one. This is the first summer with the car, so I have a feeling more people will experience the same issue I had as time progresses.

 

[zombiekiller]

So I feel like I should update everyone on the learning curve here. I received a reply from Ford and I am getting all the information documented in the event there are more folks with the issue.

Ford put our a tech alert #5542 Effective date 27-April-2016

"Some 2015-2016 Mustang GT350 vehicles not equipped with the optional Track Package may experience high transmission fluid temperatures from extended high speed or racetrack operation. The PCM will reduce power and/or RPM in addition to storing P0218 and P1783 DTCs when this occurs. This should be considered a normal operating condition for vehicles not equipped with an external transmission oil cooler. Customers should be reminded to refer to the owner guide for recommendations on sustained high speed or track use and possible warranty implications. This notice does not apply to GT350R or GT350 Track Package equipped vehicles."

As of now, Ford has not offered any remedy for the Tech Package limp issue. My dealer, which is just learning about these cars, has offered to replace the transmission and add the transmission cooler for $6800, and drivetrain warranty will remain in effect. Ford Performance is working on a aftermarket cooler, but this will void the factory warranty since it is will not be OEM. If you experience one of these episodes I ask you to take in your tech pack car to log an event with Ford Service, the government will not mandate a recall unless a percentage of these cars displays the same issue, and or it represents a hazard to drivers. I plan to take mine in every time I trigger one. This is the first summer with the car, so I have a feeling more people will experience the same issue I had as time progresses.

so i hate to be captain buzzkill, but this topic has been broached already.

many have taken their cars in after hitting limp mode ( including myself). Warranty claims will only be denied if it can be proven that the modifications to the car caused the failure. the burden of proof is on Ford, not you.

also- if you have an honest conversation with your dealer, you'll find that the good dealers will put in writing that they will honor your warranty, should you choose to add coolers, granted that they do not cause the issue.

your price of 6800 for just the trans cooler and different transmission is very very high. that is like, full parts catalog retail prices with no credit for the non-pump trans, plus full shop rate.

FP has stated numerous times that they will release a kit. If you don't want to wait, you can spend well south of 2 grand and add coolers that use 90+ percent of the factory parts, with the only outliers being an electric helical oil rated pump, some lines/fittings, and inexpensive electrical bits.

Choose your own adventure, i guess.

The only reason that I'd still contemplate factory kits, as i've said before, would be the computer integration and sync3/screen/menu tie ins. And that will all depend on price.

I've still got a couple weeks before i can take the time to rip through my install, but the hardest part will be the differential cooler wiring & guage. Still trying to figure out a super tiny gauge to monitor the diff temp and whether or not i'm going to use a thermostatic switch ( with a manual override), or just stick with a manual switch.

Thanks ( daniel94, you rock!) to one of the forum members here, i have the pinout for the oem rear pump. what is interesting is that it is apparently a multi-speed pump. I may , in fact, use a 2 speed hotrod fan controller, if the different voltage inputs for the pump speed trigger wire match up. If not, I may have to just leverage the "high speed" setting for it.

 

[142KMPH]

Please read my earlier post

I appreciate the feedback here, as I stated before, I live in the deep south, it gets very hot and humid here, I had a single Limp mode event during highway driving at what I consider normal conditions. As for the Tech alert, I bought my GT350 mid April, the car has only a few hundred miles on it. I don't feel like I was ripped off buying this car, but I do want to be able to drive it without concern. Since most people buy track car to drive on a track, I bought mine to drive around town and to shows. I just wanted to share my experience and hopefully help others that may experience the same and wonder what can be done. as for the $6800 dollars, they want to give me a core charge of $1000, and that was a drive out price. My mother-in-law works at this dealership, they gave me a 15% discount on parts, but labor was not. The key item here is what will Ford warranty, yeah my deal may fix it with aftermarket bolt on coolers, but take it down the street to another dealer to fix it, or try to sell it, you will be suprised at the loss. The only reason I posted this was to let everyone know that the Manufacturer will stand behind the 3/36 warranty if you swap it out for the one with the internal pump. Ford has already changed this for the 2017 models. Look at it this way, if you were concerned about losing some resale value because of this issue, its probably a wash if you just replace the transmission and add coolers. I still plan to beat up on Ford to cover the labor, more than likely it will be after this summer, once the car has a few more of these events.

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