Limp Mode on the Track

[lemers]

If Ford thought that the Base/Tech packs could handle heat issues at the track, then what is the point of offering the Track Pack...other than a shock and spoiler upgrade? It seems to me that Ford has a different idea of what the intended use is for each package?

Again with the not understanding the issue.

1. Non-track pack expectation was a typical 20 session on the track a couple times a year.

2. Track pack expectation was longer than 30 mins on the track with a greater skilled driver up to every weekend in a year.

What we are getting is a big middle finger and a "you should have known better" from the track pack guys who didn't fall into 1.

I'm sorry, but before the heating issue came to light, most "experts" on this forum were saying for the occasional track session the coolers weren't needed.

Also, I don't see we're the Track Package says "required for track sessions longer than 15 mins"




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[Honus]

On "the other" forum a few guys state Ford Performance is working on some aftermarket parts for transmission cooling/diff cooling.

Here's to hoping they work it out. Good news.

 

[Sprintamx]

On "the other" forum a few guys state Ford Performance is working on some aftermarket parts for transmission cooling/diff cooling.

Here's to hoping they work it out. Good news.

What is this "other forum" of which you speak? I may have to broaden my horizons!

 

[lemers]

What is this "other forum" of which you speak? I may have to broaden my horizons!

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[1320']

What is this "other forum" of which you speak? I may have to broaden my horizons!

Probably SVT.

www. S V T Performance.com

I only added the spaces to keep the jealousy filters from blocking it out.

 

[MastrHU]

Honus, very well put together post and I think it speaks for most Tech owners. I never had a doubt with what I wanted, and I'm very pleased with the seats and sync system (not the sound). I'm not a track guy, but I would expect any sport oriented car to run one solid session on any track (can't think of one). If I were still in Germany, I'd question my cars ability to run one lap around the ring or cruise the autobahn at high speeds. The scary thing is, It's only going to get hotter.

 

[jlwdvm]

Yes, Ford said "the track version". Did Ford say anything about the base or Tech Pack being able to withstand 20+minutes on the track without overheating issues? Just playing Devil's advocate here. Maybe you can't have your cake and eat it too. Maybe base and Tech Pack owners can still track their cars, just 10-15 minutes at a time?

Ford said the track version could run all day at the track.

I don't need all day. I just need 20-30 minutes - a typical HPDE time. And between being a virtual novice and not being able to afford wrecking the car - I won't be using the full capabilities of the car. I also live in a cooler climate than most. If I end up needing coolers, almost everyone will.

And as has been said many many times already in this thread - my base Mustang GT can handle an HPDE no problem. Ford offers a PP for the Mustang GT, but I didn't need it to go to the track and enjoy myself. We will see whether all GT350s need coolers or not, but at the moment it doesn't look positive.

 

[lemers]

So, I should have known that without the "track package" I shouldn't expect to be able to track the GT350, ok then we need to let everyone know that if they expect "performance" out of their mustangs then they need the "performance package". Same for the "luxury brand" buyers. They must have the "luxury package" if they expect any luxury. How about all those 4 wheel drive trucks without the "off road package" we better not catch them mudding.


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[krt22]

Again with the not understanding the issue.

1. Non-track pack expectation was a typical 20 session on the track a couple times a year.

2. Track pack expectation was longer than 30 mins on the track with a greater skilled driver up to every weekend in a year.

And who exactly set these expectations or stated any of the above? The only thing ever actually stated/put into words is add coolers for track use in the manual. There were no promises for run time without them, there was a rumored 15-20minute quote by FP engineers at the track tour, but now folks have interpreted that to mean 20-30 minutes.

And even with coolers, as I mentioned above, im not sure too many 500hp+ street cars can last for 30minute+ sessions. :shrug:. Unfortunately expectations and reality don't always align.

 

[jlwdvm]

Ford calls it the Track Pack for a reason. Base and Tech Pack owners can still track their cars, but their sessions can't be as long....that's what I am saying. I fail to see the logic in thinking that track performance, longevity, etc is going to be the same for a Track Pack car as it will be for a Base or Tech car. The way Ford had the option packages being mutually exclusive we did have to make a choice before ordering!

 

[montreal ponies]

I finally see a bit of light at the end of the tunnel . This quote is from a member of the " other svt forum ".


I just had this same conversation with Tech Support and Ford Performance. As you said, Ford is working on an add-on trans cooler, diff cooler and also an air-oil separator. The fact that they are making the trans and diff coolers standard on 2017's is disturbing as it amounts to something of and error of omission on the Base and Tech Packs. I have a Tech Pack 2016 due in April and am still wondering if I should cancel, shift the order to a Track Pack or wait for a 2017. Having said this, the tech support fellow said that most drivers of Tech Pack vehicles will not experience overheating problems as they did not buy the cars to run hard at the track on any regular basis. He said that you would have to be driving at 10/10ths for the 20 minute sessions to get the sensors to kick in. How many of us are even capable of that. Wouldn't Ford have tested the Tech Packs in spirited hot weather driving as they would with all new vehicles. Yes, that is not Track Day, but it is probably the most stressful condition to which most of us with Tech Pack cars would subject our precious rides.

Here is another quote from same site but different member .

"Thank you for the call in today about the transmission/differential cooler for the Tech/Base GT350’s. As it stands currently, our aftermarket, Ford Performance Parts team is working on this.

As I discussed with you earlier, the diff cooler is easier than the transmission cooler because of the hardware involved. The electrical in both cases is the challenge. The transmission is also different between the base/tech car, and the R/Track car due to the inputs/outputs of the transmission cooling.

We’re looking into solutions for this, but I can tell you nothing is currently available from us."

 

[Shooter]

And who exactly set these expectations or stated any of the above? The only thing ever actually stated/put into words is add coolers for track use in the manual. There were no promises for run time without them, there was a rumored 15-20minute quote by FP engineers at the track tour, but now folks have interpreted that to mean 20-30 minutes.

And even with coolers, as I mentioned above, im not sure too many 500hp+ street cars can last for 30minute+ sessions. :shrug:. Unfortunately expectations and reality don't always align.

Wanna bet?. Every Viper I have ever owned was capable of having the s**t flogged out of it at the track. And that's Aug/Sept in Texas. As a matter of fact, I drove the crap out of my Wife's 2012 5.0 Mustang GT at Texas World Speedway for approx 10 laps to prove a point on lap times. I was lapping just around 2:00 per lap in 100 deg weather and the car never overheated. The brakes did, but I still had stock fluid in it then. Now that car was about 50 hp shy of 500 hp but it still didn't overheat.

It's pretty lame that any version of the GT 350 can't handle basic track duties. Especially at the retard prices some dealers are asking for this car.

And can I just say that, as a car enthusiast, I find it pretty poor that fellow owners on here, are piling on the owners that have a legitimate complaint about Ford's" most track capable mustang ever". Reading some of the excuses for the car has been entertaining though, I'll give ya that.

Hope Ford steps up for the Base and Tech car owners with a fix.

 

[montreal ponies]

Wanna bet?. Every Viper I have ever owned was capable of having the s**t flogged out of it at the track. And that's Aug/Sept in Texas. As a matter of fact, I drove the crap out of my Wife's 2012 5.0 Mustang GT at Texas World Speedway for approx 10 laps to prove a point on lap times. I was lapping just around 2:00 per lap in 100 deg weather and the car never overheated. The brakes did, but I still had stock fluid in it then. Now that car was about 50 hp shy of 500 hp but it still didn't overheat.

It's pretty lame that any version of the GT 350 can't handle basic track duties. Especially at the retard prices some dealers are asking for this car.

And can I just say that, as a car enthusiast, I find it pretty poor that fellow owners on here, are piling on the owners that have a legitimate complaint about Ford's" most track capable mustang ever". Reading some of the excuses for the car has been entertaining though, I'll give ya that.

Hope Ford steps up for the Base and Tech car owners with a fix.

Thanks for standing behind us. I think we have a valid point. Let's see what FP comes up with .

 

[krt22]

Wanna bet?. Every Viper I have ever owned was capable of having the s**t flogged out of it at the track. And that's Aug/Sept in Texas. As a matter of fact, I drove the crap out of my Wife's 2012 5.0 Mustang GT at Texas World Speedway for approx 10 laps to prove a point on lap times. I was lapping just around 2:00 per lap in 100 deg weather and the car never overheated. The brakes did, but I still had stock fluid in it then. Now that car was about 50 hp shy of 500 hp but it still didn't overheat.
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Notice how I said "not too many", im fully aware there are a handful of cars with this capability, typically they don't start at 50k and just because you never experienced problems doesnt mean they dont manifest themselves for others

And kudos on lapping the GT, unfortunately the MT82 doesn't even have a thermal sensor, so you could have very well been in the 300* range and just not known it.

Others did log their MT82 tranny temps and added their own coolers accordingly. I dont imagine the solution for tech/base owners being radically different than this. I fully agree with you guys that FP should offer a solution (for those willing to pay for it), I just don't buy into the whole burn the house down mentality.

http://trackmustangsonline.com/index.php?topic=8132.0

 

[PP0001]

Thanks for standing behind us. I think we have a valid point. Let's see what FP comes up with .

After almost 500 posts on this subject it is most comical to see many of the same posters ranting and raving about heat soak issues with their Tech Pack cars with the majority of their GT350's having never even seen a track so far and probably never will.

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