Limp Mode on the Track

[superman07]

Also the tech packs likely just had ADM obliterated. who in there right mind would buy one now for 2016.

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[mattlqx]

Also the tech packs likely just had ADM obliterated. who in there right mind would buy one now for 2016.

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The vast majority of GT350 buyers won't step foot on a track or in a forum. So in short, they'll never know or care.

 

[TRACK CRAZY GT350]

Okay, I'm going to try to reserve judgment until we get more data on cars going limp on track days. And I'm sorry, but anyone saying it's fine to expect not to be able to track the Tech pkg because we made the choice are just dead wrong.

1. Many, many of us have owned performance and regular cars before, how many of you ever had cars that COULD NOT run normal track days (4 X 20-30 minute sessions, l'm not talking about racing)? And we buy a "high performance" sports car and we're to accept that we can't run on track? That's not only ridiculous it's probably actionable given the GT350 marketing. We can't legally get near this car's performance levels except on track.

Have any of you owned any other mustangs with this limitation? Ive done probably close to 50-60 track days and I've seen all kinds of cars run with no problems. I've never even heard of such a restriction. Everyone keeps comparing the GT350 to Camaros, are any of them unable to do track days? (And I'll bet the "luxury Jaguars" can run all day on track without a problem.)

2. I might be less offended/upset if we could resolve the problem with a bolt on cooler, but so far everyone's saying the trans cooler pump is internal on the Track cars and the Tech trans doesn't have the external plugs to allow for a bolt-on transmission cooler, you have to replace the whole unit at a cost of around $5,000.

3. How do you think Ford Perf and consumers would respond to an article with the headline: "Ford builds amazing, best track-performing Mustang ever, BUT YOU CANT TAKE IT ON TRACK!!

Seriously, I would not have gone with the Tech Pkg if I thought I couldn't run track days with it. I've tracked and raced BMWs for years and external oil or trans coolers or even finned diff covers were always considered nice extra protection to have, not essential to run on track.

Ok, rant over for now.

Well stated. I feel just like you do and feel really sick after reading these posts. Just started thinking about planning my track days only to find out the car is going to crap out. Sure hope someone finds a solution. Ford you let us down.:shrug:

 

[Davy_Baby9]

I think it's more like unacceptable...

If this is happening to guys now in 60 degree weather imagine when the summer months get here. The gt350 is marketed as a track focused car. If it can't complete a 15-20 min session in 65 degree weather without overheating the trams fluid and going into limp mode then all gt350's should have gotten the trams cooler.

I think we all need to get together for some answers from Ford, or Ford performance.

Ding Ding Ding. :hail:

 

[Caballus]

I think it's more like unacceptable...

If this is happening to guys now in 60 degree weather imagine when the summer months get here. The gt350 is marketed as a track focused car. If it can't complete a 15-20 min session in 65 degree weather without overheating the trams fluid and going into limp mode then all gt350's should have gotten the trams cooler.

I think we all need to get together for some answers from Ford, or Ford performance.

What's the plan?

 

[TRACK CRAZY GT350]

What's the plan?

Let's start by sending letters to the editors of major auto magazines stating our concerns about the GT350 not be track worthy. Ford will pick up on this. How about starting with Road & Track and Car & Driver.

 

[ohtobbad]

How about a thread here first, see the true interest for a fight, then forward it to
ford performance from here. It seems all agree the folks at Ford performance
have helped us as much as the could through this process.
Seems fair to at least send it to ford first.

If no response, then send it to Mags and anyone who will listen.

 

[Rogue]

Also the tech packs likely just had ADM obliterated. who in there right mind would buy one now for 2016.

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Yup and Track Packs are about to skyrocket even more - it's cut throat out there!

 

[Hack]

Thing is i'm willing to shell out a few hundred for coolers, but who am i going to give it to ! I'd like Ford to come out with some kind of fix for tech and base owners, but i highly doubt they'll do anything for us.
Aftermarket, maybe but at what cost ?
Since my car is still on order, i'm debating the pors and cons of cancelling my order and ordering a base '17.

Thought i was done with decisions.

I agree and I can't blame you for considering a 2017. Frankly, I'm also upset about the track pack spoiler becoming standard. I think Ford should at a minimum sell the parts needed to bring the 2015 and 2016 tech cars up to good track usability at reasonable prices. For instance, the track pack spoiler is ~$1300 unpainted. That is a stupid high price. If Ford sold it for $400 painted, then I could take care of installation myself, that would be acceptable. The same with the coolers, pumps and lines, etc. They should at a minimum be priced in line with similar aftermarket items if we end up having to buy them and install them ourselves or pay someone to do it. I don't care if Ford needs a VIN number for that pricing or not, but paying 3x or 4x higher prices for the parts than what they should be is ridiculous - especially when it's Ford's error. I understand - anyone can make a mistake - but do what you can to make it right.

Well stated. I feel just like you do and feel really sick after reading these posts. Just started thinking about planning my track days only to find out the car is going to crap out. Sure hope someone finds a solution. Ford you let us down.:shrug:

Agree 100%

How about a thread here first, see the true interest for a fight, then forward it to
ford performance from here. It seems all agree the folks at Ford performance
have helped us as much as the could through this process.
Seems fair to at least send it to ford first.

If no response, then send it to Mags and anyone who will listen.

That's a reasonable way to go forward in my opinion.

 

[zombiekiller]

I agree and I can't blame you for considering a 2017. Frankly, I'm also upset about the track pack spoiler becoming standard. I think Ford should at a minimum sell the parts needed to bring the 2015 and 2016 tech cars up to good track usability at reasonable prices. For instance, the track pack spoiler is ~$1300 unpainted. That is a stupid high price. If Ford sold it for $400 painted, then I could take care of installation myself, that would be acceptable. The same with the coolers, pumps and lines, etc. They should at a minimum be priced in line with similar aftermarket items if we end up having to buy them and install them ourselves or pay someone to do it. I don't care if Ford needs a VIN number for that pricing or not, but paying 3x or 4x higher prices for the parts than what they should be is ridiculous - especially when it's Ford's error. I understand - anyone can make a mistake - but do what you can to make it right.



Agree 100%



That's a reasonable way to go forward in my opinion.

I'd be on board with supporting a unified approaching of ford for a solution.

I dont even care if they make it public. if they can track down owners for supplemental gift kit things, they can reach out to everyone privately as well.

In the worst case, i would like ford to put in writing that warranties will be honored should tech pack owners install aftermarket coolers, if they choose to not offer us a solution.

I will gladly pay for a reasonable price for retrofitting trans and dif coolers on my car. I would really prefer to not have to buy a new transmission though.

 

[Stuntman]

That was his fastest IIRC, automatic Z06 on Cup 2 tires... typically he clocks in the low 2:20's range. Then again Sean is an experienced long time track rat.

Here's one at Sebring:


He's pretty quick at Rolex Daytona too. More vids here: https://www.youtube.com/user/Snorman9/videos?view=0&shelf_id=0&sort=dd

Did I miss the 2:18, or was it from a different session?

These are the lap times from that video:

24.3
22.7
21.1
22.0
22.7
22.0
20.1
24.6

Pretty impressive the straightaway speeds didn't seem to fall off... So his car and cooling is stock?

 

[Bossing]

Did I miss the 2:18, or was it from a different session?

These are the lap times from that video:

24.3
22.7
21.1
22.0
22.7
22.0
20.1
24.6

Pretty impressive the straightaway speeds didn't seem to fall off... So his car and cooling is stock?

Yeah all stock and with Cup2's. I think the 2:18 is on another vid.. his fastest is :18's-:19's and he's trying to hit :17's.

 

[lemers]

So my concern is...can the Gt350 handle 90+ degree temps at 85 MPH for extended travel (tank of gas)? I'm from Texas and that's a typical road trip.


2016 GT350 Magnetic w/Black Stripes / Black Roof /Tech Package Build January, ETA March (US Port), Germany Apr, under MSRP

 

[Bossing]

So my concern is...can the Gt350 handle 90+ degree temps at 85 MPH for extended travel (tank of gas)? I'm from Texas and that's a typical road trip.


2016 GT350 Magnetic w/Black Stripes / Black Roof /Tech Package Build January, ETA March (US Port), Germany Apr, under MSRP

I don't think this will be a problem on any GT350 or even any 5.0 GT.... very hot ambient temps at upper highway speeds won't even come close to replicating the repetitive high-rpm and heat + stress generated from continuous road course laps like on a track event.

 

[Caballus]

How about a thread here first, see the true interest for a fight, then forward it to
ford performance from here. It seems all agree the folks at Ford performance
have helped us as much as the could through this process.
Seems fair to at least send it to ford first.

If no response, then send it to Mags and anyone who will listen.

I'm on board.

- What would be a reasonable timeline for a thread?

- How would it be edited to ensure it stays professional without at the same time muzzling anyone one?

- What is the process for forwarding it to Ford Performance?

- How long should they be given to respond?

Thinking ahead to worse case, if FP does not meet whatever the agreed upon criteria specifies, perhaps the next step would be forwarding the forum to magazines like those listed, while letters are being prepared.

Just some thoughts to keep the ball rolling.

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