nastang87xx
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If you're going to track the car 100% R. If you're not going to, get the base.
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I'm surprised you would say this.The R is much more docile
Saw that. I think he was searching for a different word. The R is not docile... I think the word could have been nimble. It feels very light on it's feet. It's kind of a marvel to me about how nimble and light it feels. It does jounce and bounce a bit in sport mode if you're not on a smooth track.I'm surprised you would say this.
my 16 GT350 tramlined much worse than my RThe R changes are subtle but makes a big difference. Generally the 19 gt350 is good enough for daily use and occasional track days. The R was always for someone who often goes to track therefore the CF wheels and the unique tuning. So depends on what you are going to do with your car to see if the price makes sense to you.
The 20 Rs are debatable because of the steering and front suspension tuning. The old R is so precise in steering and perfect in balance that its hard to improve on, Ford basically updated the 20 Rs with 500 parts to save money. And using the new hardware needs a retune. No one knows at this point how the new steering tuning is and whether if we lose something we really loved in the old R. Those willing to take the bet might want to get the 20s. But those who want the more original R feel should go for previous years.
FP said purpose of new setup will reduce the tramlining, but the tramlining is something unique about the R and is just how sensitive the car is, you feel everything on the road, this is why many people are worrying about the new steering not being the same great feel.
Good point Tim!my 16 GT350 tramlined much worse than my R
Funny you said that, I was just thinking that I never felt much tram-lining on my 600 miles ride home on the R. I was a bit surprised, the track pack had to wrestled with from time to time...my 16 GT350 tramlined much worse than my R
If that was true, then they would put the steering rack and geometry on the base GT350 as well. They didn't, and the 2020 R with those parts is more expensive. So maybe the 500 steering is better but too expensive for the base GT350?I would assume they wanted to use as many parts in common across the car's. Im curious what a part number comparison would show.
honestly ive been waiting since 2015 for the R as well. Ive been looking forward to 2020 R for so many years hoping it would had significant changes worth the wait and price, but of course that didn't end well. I always knew the R was a very capable car pushed to the limits thus really hard to improve on, well FP did prove that by their 2020 "improvement".I had been waiting since 2015, and decided to pull the trigger once I saw the updates to the 19 GT350 w/ the handling package. Cup 2s, adjustable CC plates, more aero and a back seat for the kiddos.... done. Nothing better at this price point.
even to save money they won't put it on the base gt350. The base has a different purpose than the R and the gt500, which they want to differentiate, especially after the 2019 changes. Most of the 19 changes to the base car was from the R, thats how good the R was all along.If that was true, then they would put the steering rack and geometry on the base GT350 as well. They didn't, and the 2020 R with those parts is more expensive. So maybe the 500 steering is better but too expensive for the base GT350?
That makes zero sense. If parts commonality reduces costs, they would ditch the original GT350 geometry and rack and go to the GT500 for both the GT350 & 500. Plain and simple.even to save money they won't put it on the base gt350. The base has a different purpose than the R and the gt500, which they want to differentiate, especially after the 2019 changes. Most of the 19 changes to the base car was from the R, thats how good the R was all along.
As for the R they haven't changed it in all these years so it made sense from a marketing and production standpoint to put the parts in, to save money and easy to market "its from the gt500, top of line mustang to date". If they were to put it into the base 350 they would have to do 3 different tunings in total and the 2019 changes would go to waste.
Remember the new parts are developed specifically for the 500, which is a totally different car to the R when it comes to tuning and how it runs, let alone its weight... Id believe FP saying if they want to improve the R if they did something just for the R all these years, or heck even if they want to share parts give the CF drive shaft to the R, but no. We ended up using the same parts developed for a different car, yea of course the retune will make the new hardware work with the car, but personally i want the original setup of the R.
you obviously didn't get it. The 19 updates to the base car is what they learned from the R, just look at the grill and aero they did. They obviously can't make the same car... (you honestly think they will have a same wing and spoiler?) then what is the point of having a gt350 and a gt350r... and of course parts commonality reduces costs, what do you think all the car manufactuers do across different models... they can't all have the same parts exactly but they share when they can... whatever.. some people just don't get it some do, what needs to be said is said and what is done is done. Its all up to FP anyway.That makes zero sense. If parts commonality reduces costs, they would ditch the original GT350 geometry and rack and go to the GT500 for both the GT350 & 500. Plain and simple.
The GT350R has different brake tuning in 2019 and then GT500 steering in 2020. The new GT350 has different brake and suspension tuning as well. It also has DIFFERENT Cup 2 tires than the GT350R, and it still has a different wing and spoiler. So "Most of the 19 changes to the base car was from the R" is wrong.