I drove my first EV

[Skye]

I'm assuming you see the impossibility of banning Ice cars and trucks anytime in the near future?

It's difficult for me to see a ban of any mode of transportation. Cost and practicality have always won out. New technologies will continue to surface and be tried. Some will be welcomed and used. Others, discarded. Some of these technologies work well in some sectors of the economy or some areas. Others, won't. The process we've been using in this country to determine that, the last 100+ years, will continue.

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[sk47]

It's difficult for me to see a ban of any mode of transportation. Cost and practicality have always won out. New technologies will continue to surface and be tried. Some will be welcomed and used. Others, discarded. Some of these technologies work well in some sectors of the economy or some areas. Others, won't. The process we've been using in this country to determine that, the last 100+ years, will continue.

Hello; This statement is reasonable and logical. let cost and practical issues be a part of the process. Let all forms of transport compete to see what works out best. Alas such is not the case among who i call "true believers". Those believers are working off the pages of a very different playbook. I do not know the title of that playbook but a guess is it will have "save the planet" somewhere in it.
So, no logic need be applied to the agenda. Fossil fuels are declared evil and no quarter given. No sacrifice among the populace is too great to demand. Some of the believers seem to not ever remove the rose-colored glasses and take a good look.
Others, I am convinced, do understand the hard times the agendas will bring and keep pushing anyway. They may feel personally immune because of their wealth and/or position.
Some may even be more noble is the sense they will endure the hardships right along with the rest of us because it is for the greater good sort of thing.

 

[K4fxd]

It's difficult for me to see a ban of any mode of transportation.

There is a certain segment who want this ban and they are in power.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Where is all that electricity going to come from? Is the electric fairy going to wave her magic wand?

Someone isn't a student of government.

If you were, you would realize that as soon as the mandates replacing gas furnaces, gas water heaters, gas stoves, gas dryers, etc. with electric ones is complete, they will simply implement new mandates to replace them with gas versions.

 

[sukhoi_584th]

Huh? CA has plenty of power. Notice how you haven't heard anything about blackouts for a couple years? Solar and grid-scale battery storage is now cheap enough for plenty of power. Even a month ago with a big heat wave in the fall, which is the worst time of year due to reduced solar production, CAISO didn't even issue a conservation request. Go check the caiso.com supply and demand trends for Oct 2nd.

Regarding EV fast charging, claiming we need to charge cars 100 kWh/day is nonsense. That's 250-300 mi/day for the average EV. Nobody drives that far except on a trip, which is when DCFC is useful. Otherwise you should be L2 charging unless living in an apartment. My new job provides free L2 charging, and there do need to be more companies doing that.

I don't get why people refuse to acknowledge there are different optimal uses for different vehicle types. EVs are ideal for commuting, delivery, and regional trips. They suck for semis and heavy duty pickup use. Hybrids make a lot more sense for pickups. Hydrogen makes sense for long distance trucking. Enthusiast vehicle can continue to use ICEs as they are relatively low production quantities.

 

[K4fxd]

Regarding EV fast charging, claiming we need to charge cars 100 kWh/day is nonsense. That's 250-300 mi/day for the average EV. Nobody drives that far except on a trip, which is when DCFC is useful.

When the holidays come around and millions of people hit the roads and then need a fast charge halfway through the trip.....

I'm not anti EV, I'm anti mandate.

Just pointing out the problems with forcing EV's on the population.

Oh yea they are not Green either. Most likley a wash with modern Ice over the lifetime of the vehicle.

 

[CarmeloS]

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[sk47]

claiming we need to charge cars 100 kWh/day is nonsense.

They suck for semis and heavy duty pickup use.

hello; Flaws in your arguments. At some point if the anti ICE & fossil fuels agendas come to fruition all transport will be by EV. All the over the road semis, service vehicles, trucks and commuter cars will be charging up every day. All day long someone will on a charger. Again, the vast amount of energy that now comes from fossil fuels will have to be replaced with electricity. I do not recall exactly but think something like 10,000,000 or maybe even 20,000,000 barrels of oil ae used each day. That represents a huge amount of energy.
California may be avoiding blackouts but still most vehicles run on oil.

 

[526 HRSE]

EV's are NOT cleaner. They use petroleum to build and power the car just like everything else. Top that off with the mining of Cobalt and Lithium and it gets much dirtier.

Still, global warming isn't happening. The Earth's atmosphere is compiled of 420 parts per million of CO2.

The Earth is cooling, nothing we can do to stop it.

 

[K4fxd]

No sun, no wind but shut down gas fired power plants and force EV's on the people.

More madness.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/britain-wind-power-falls-virtually-170358537.html

 

[sk47]

Dragstrip Bans EVs Citing Fire and Shock Hazards
Hello; Guess since fast acceleration is perhaps the best feature of an EV this is ironic.

 

[SnowFox]

I don't have any real reason to dislike EVs that I can explain.

Just something about EVs is not ticking my clock.

 

[sk47]

Nearly 80,000 pounds of butter recalled for obvious ingredient
Hello; this has nothing to do with EV's but as the thread has discussed alphabet agency overreach I thought it might fit. Now I guess there may be someone out there who does not know butter and cream are parts of milk, but it seems a remote possibility. The label states cream as an ingredient but not milk.
I guess if a jar of peanut butter does not mention peanuts on the label it might be recalled. Any thoughts?

 

[MAGS1]

Nearly 80,000 pounds of butter recalled for obvious ingredient
Hello; this has nothing to do with EV's but as the thread has discussed alphabet agency overreach I thought it might fit. Now I guess there may be someone out there who does not know butter and cream are parts of milk, but it seems a remote possibility. The label states cream as an ingredient but not milk.
I guess if a jar of peanut butter does not mention peanuts on the label it might be recalled. Any thoughts?

Been that way for years now with food allergens. You can’t assume that people know that milk is used to make butter, peanuts in peanut butter, etc. You open yourself to lawsuits without disclosing it. As someone who has two kids with severe food allergies (to the point it would kill them if not immediately treated), I appreciate this kind of government oversight. It may seem overkill to some, but it’s literally life or death to others.

 

[sk47]

You can’t assume that people know that milk is used to make butter, peanuts in peanut butter, etc.

Hello; I do assume people ought to know peanuts are in peanut butter. I do get your point but just barely. I recall years ago when I had a bicycle magazine subscription reading of a bike accident. A guy was riding around at night on a bicycle and got hit by a car. He did not have any lights on his self nor on the bicycle. No reflective clothes nor any such on the bicycle. Just dark street clothes. He sued and got a settlement.

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