How do you turn off the traction control

[mibairho]

Is this happening on a GT350? Or to the GT/PP listed in your profile? I ask because in the 15 GT/PP I had, advance track was definitely noticeable and intrusive at times on track. However in my GT350/TP in track mode on the tack, nothing. I agree with Stuntman that if indeed it is a GT350 something is wrong.

It's a Mustang GT PP with a Ford Performance Roush Supercharger stage 1. It did it before I put the SC on.

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[Zitrosounds]

It's a Mustang GT PP with a Ford Performance Roush Supercharger stage 1. It did it before I put the SC on.

Yeah! Seems inherent in the advance track programming in the GT's and I am sure it is exacerbated by the SC throttle response.

 

[mibairho]

Just for further clarification:
I'm 51 years old and have owned many performance cars. These include 60's hot rods, corvettes, 650i, and a Porsche turbo. Please don't think I'm a novice driver. I've clicked traction control off in every mode, and advance trac off in every mode too. If it detects wheel spin, power is chopped! I'm asking if there's anything else I could do to prevent this?

Please don't make this a responsibile driver thing. If this is a normal condition for this car, so be it. From the comments, it seems advance trac should shut it off but it's not. Like I said, moderate acceleration activates the power loss. It only happens from the dig.

Thanks again.

 

[Tomster]

Oh I understand Norm. If his TC is kicking in under moderate throttle he should get that fixed and not think the fix is turning TC off. Either that or his moderate throttle is what I may consider hard throttle.

I'd also note that the OP is new to this board and asking how TC can be turned off suggests he may not know what can occur when he gives it more than moderate throttle with TC off.

I can also drive with TC off with no problem because I know what this car can do. I think a warning to the OP is justified. If he continues and turns it off and is a great driver, no harm, no foul. If he is new to the GT350 and is not comfortable with this car yet, I think we do him an injustice if we don't warn him.

Just my opinion.

I agree, and that was my whole point. Very well said. Thank you Mike

 

[Minn19]

Just for further clarification:
I'm 51 years old and have owned many performance cars. These include 60's hot rods, corvettes, 650i, and a Porsche turbo. Please don't think I'm a novice driver. I've clicked traction control off in every mode, and advance trac off in every mode too. If it detects wheel spin, power is chopped! I'm asking if there's anything else I could do to prevent this?

Please don't make this a responsibile driver thing. If this is a normal condition for this car, so be it. From the comments, it seems advance trac should shut it off but it's not. Like I said, moderate acceleration activates the power loss. It only happens from the dig.

Thanks again.

Maybe there is something up with your car and a trip to the dealer might be neccasary. I've only seen the one GT/PP Mustang in action and he had no problem lighting up the tires and keeping them that way. I don't know why your car would be different. His car was 100% stock according to him.

As for the side discussions, that is a fortunate/unfortunate part of car forums. Sorry for my part in it anyway, good luck with a solution.

 

[nastang87xx]

It won't. LC is still engaged, which needs some form of TC to be on.

What does launch control have anything to do with flipping off the nannies? Brake in, hold button until it's off. Launch control has no stake in this procedure.

 

[nastang87xx]

OK, how do you know

Many goosed spin outs in autocross. :first: When she said I've had enough, there was NO interference from a nanny system. Felt exactly like an S2000 letting go.

 

[Tomster]

Many goosed spin outs in autocross. :first: When she said I've had enough, there was NO interference from a nanny system. Felt exactly like an S2000 letting go.

lol :lol:

 

[Norm Peterson]

I hear you, but dial back the outrage a bit.

It's hard, really hard to not occasionally lose patience with all the "you gotta leave all the nannies on or else you're gonna to crash" comments. They all read about the same, like a crash is flat-out guaranteed. No, it's not.

Surprises happen, especially in inclement weather and it is nice to have these safety systems as a backup.

Doesn't this really come back to the situational awareness I mentioned before? Inclement weather? Drive slower, leave more room, make gentler control inputs, put all of your focus into your driving. Turn the damn phone off or at the very least learn to ignore it.

If you make one mistake with the TC/stability off you are most likely going to involve others in your mistake/accident.

Not all mistakes result in accidents, and not all occurrences of tailhappiness end up in spins out of control, so perhaps it's the insidious worst-case-guaranteed fearmongering that should be dialed back.

Drive within the lowest of your car's limits, what conditions will support, and your skills as a driver. Believe it or not, this is possible. 40+ consecutive years each for both me and my wife in street driving says it's even possible over the long run. That's been with and without stability control, traction control, or ABS, mostly without any of them because the cars didn't even have them. An entire lifetime and then some for many members here and elsewhere.


Norm

 

[mibairho]

By the way everyone, Sorry about listing this here I search the topic, and didn't look to see it was in the GT350 section. Sorry about that.

 

[Mike02z]

By the way everyone, Sorry about listing this here I search the topic, and didn't look to see it was in the GT350 section. Sorry about that.

No worries. It's been an interesting thread. Enjoy your car!

 

[Minn19]

It's hard, really hard to not occasionally lose patience with all the "you gotta leave all the nannies on or else you're gonna to crash" comments. They all read about the same, like a crash is flat-out guaranteed. No, it's not.



Doesn't this really come back to the situational awareness I mentioned before? Inclement weather? Drive slower, leave more room, make gentler control inputs, put all of your focus into your driving. Turn the damn phone off or at the very least learn to ignore it.



Not all mistakes result in accidents, and not all occurrences of tailhappiness end up in spins out of control, so perhaps it's the insidious worst-case-guaranteed fearmongering that should be dialed back.

Drive within the lowest of your car's limits, what conditions will support, and your skills as a driver. Believe it or not, this is possible. 40+ consecutive years each for both me and my wife in street driving says it's even possible over the long run. That's been with and without stability control, traction control, or ABS, mostly without any of them because the cars didn't even have them. An entire lifetime and then some for many members here and elsewhere.


Norm

Your speaking to the choir on a lot of your points and you are not the only one with an extensive driving history/experience. I've been around long enough to have driven cars with zero nannies through some very nasty conditions. Would I want to do it again? Not if I don't have to.

That brings me back to the main point. If you are going to drive that well anyways, why shut them off and deprive yourself of an even greater margin of safety? They most likely aren't going to come in to play anyway.

Humans are not perfect. I'm not doubting you or your wife's history, but I'm guessing luck had some part of this as well. We all make mistakes or lose concentration from time to time. No it doesn't always result in an accident, but sometimes it does.

 

[Norm Peterson]

I know humans aren't perfect, but it appears that somewhere between my generation and yours, society's attitudes changed.

I started driving in 1963, when the only thing keeping you out of crashes that were in any way avoidable was you and your skill as a driver. So that's my mindset here, that it's up to me to have the judgment to avoid the situations that can and should be expected and drive appropriately, and to have the skill to successfully cope with situations that suddenly come up.

With respect to TC, since that's what the original questions were concerned with, I have never had a street situation occur where I gave a car so much more throttle than what the traction circumstances of the moment could support that I couldn't keep the car under control. Not ever, so I guess that makes me a pretty unexciting choice as a C&C driver to watch. Off the street in an empty snow-covered parking lot, sure, but that's something entirely separate.

As long as I have the chops to keep up with situations like in the following video, I will be (strictly as an individual deciding only for myself) entirely comfortable with TC being absent. Hell, my '01 Maxima doesn't even have TC (and my GT's TC is so ineffective that it might as well not be there anyway), so for both my sake and yours I'd better keep myself current with these skills. If it makes you feel any better, I'll start feeling a bit uneasy about successfully executing such maneuvers a good bit before I lose the ability to actually do them, and I'll be paying attention for that.

Last spring I encountered some coolant on the track in a couple of places, that wasn't even visible from inside the car. From the datalog information (that little box on the top of the dash showing "363") I was collecting and knowing how I drive that particular stretch on that particular track I know that the engine was running at WOT between about 3000 and 4500 rpm (which includes peak torque rpm), I know the transmission was in 3rd gear, and that there was anywhere from 0.4g to over 0.9g of cornering going on concurrently.

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Norm

 

[Mike02z]

I know humans aren't perfect, but it appears that somewhere between my generation and yours, society's attitudes changed.

I started driving in 1963, when the only thing keeping you out of crashes that were in any way avoidable was you and your skill as a driver. So that's my mindset here, that it's up to me to have the judgment to avoid the situations that can and should be expected and drive appropriately, and to have the skill to successfully cope with situations that suddenly come up.

With respect to TC, since that's what the original questions were concerned with, I have never had a street situation occur where I gave a car so much more throttle than what the traction circumstances of the moment could support that I couldn't keep the car under control. Not ever, so I guess that makes me a pretty unexciting choice as a C&C driver to watch. Off the street in an empty snow-covered parking lot, sure, but that's something entirely separate.

And as long as I have the chops to keep up with situations like in the following video, I will be (strictly as an individual deciding only for myself) entirely comfortable with TC being absent. Hell, my '01 Maxima doesn't even have TC (and my GT's TC is so ineffective that it might as well not be there anyway), so for both my sake and yours I'd better keep myself current with these skills. If it makes you feel any better, I'll start feeling a bit uneasy about successfully executing such maneuvers a good bit before I become incapable of actually doing them.

Last spring I encountered some coolant on the track in a couple of places, that wasn't even visible from inside the car. From the datalog information (that little box on the top of the dash showing "363") I was collecting and knowing how I drive that particular stretch on that particular track I know that the engine was running at WOT between about 3000 and 4500 rpm (which includes peak torque rpm), I know the transmission was in 3rd gear, and that there was anywhere from 0.4g to over 0.9g of cornering going on concurrently.




Norm

Norm, I understand we did not have, ABS or TC up until about 10-15 years ago. There were also no 435-526 HP production cars being released at the time save for a few exotics. The OP did not originally let us know that he was experienced. He is a new member who asked how to turn off TC. Knowing what I know now he can probably handle it.

Off topic: Did you belong to a Corvette Club called CCDV in Bucks County PA? Your name looks very familiar.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Off topic: Did you belong to a Corvette Club called CCDV in Bucks County PA?

No.

Your name looks very familiar.

But might you have been known as Mike02z28 about 8 - 10 years ago over on Camaroz28.com?


Norm

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