Here it comes!!

[bloomerfan]

Anyone think they are going on a limb making all electric?
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[Inthehighdesert]

For sure. Very fee people even realize it’ll cost them 5k plus to install a charging system in there home. That’s even if there current service will support it. I’ll leave alone a densely populated urban area and what that infrastructure will cost, and in almost all instances its not even attainable.

 

[JCFoster]

Not to mention all the ones in apartment complexes are government housing.

 

[Bikeman315]

For sure. Very fee people even realize it’ll cost them 5k plus to install a charging system in there home. That’s even if there current service will support it. I’ll leave alone a densely populated urban area and what that infrastructure will cost, and in almost all instances its not even attainable.

Things must be really expensive in your neck of the woods. My son in law just had a level 2 charger installed for his new to him BMW i3 hybrid ( don’t ask). $650 to the electrician for the line and install. Another $600 for the charger. He fells it worth every penny. His money, his choice.

 

[Inthehighdesert]

That’s really reaaonable if your foing the ev route.


https://www.motorbiscuit.com/how-much-does-a-tesla-home-charger-cost/

Things must be really expensive in your neck of the woods. My son in law just had a level 2 charger installed for his new to him BMW i3 hybrid ( don’t ask). $650 to the electrician for the line and install. Another $600 for the charger. He fells it worth every penny. His money, his choice.

 

[sk47]

That’s really reaaonable if your foing the ev route.


https://www.motorbiscuit.com/how-much-does-a-tesla-home-charger-cost/

Hello; By the link the cost can vary. $700 or so for the charger unit is the starting point. I happen to already have two 240 volt outlets in my basement. One for an air compressor. The other for a Lincoln welder. So, I might get away at the cheaper cost. I also put the outlets close to the basement door. That way I can do any needed welding outside the house. Also lets my air hose reach further away from the house.
I would just have to not run the compressor or weld when charging an EV. Likely would charge an EV away from the house anyway as a fire safety precaution. Might put up a carport to park the EV under.

Guess i could charge the EV as far away as the chord will reach and then park it in a car port I already have away from the house. The ideal solution would be to have a 240 charger at the existing carport but that would require running some heavy wire and hiring an electrician. Maybe a second breaker box?

Afraid I am spoiled a bit having my car in the basement and my truck under the stick built carport. In bad weather I leave home in a comfortable vehicle. Not hot from sitting in the sun nor cold and having to clean windshields in the winter. Here is a thing I have noted. My carport is only a roof sitting on 12 4x4 posts. Open on all sides. Yet my windshield does not have frost in the winter.

Hello; New thought. I have been to places with public toilets. Some are nasty. Some are clean enough. The difference seems to be if they have someone around to clean them up. Maybe some of you have stopped at a place with a nasty toilet??
Point being I see reports of how the public EV chargers often do not work or are damaged. My take is they will be treated like public toilets. At sites where someone is tasked with taking care of them, they likely will be OK. Those left out in the "wild" will be trashed before long.
Think of it this way. We do not see gasoline pumps out in the "wild" with only a credit card slot. I get the safety reasons before anyone chimes in. But they would be trashed same as any other such "public" space with no one watching over it.

My first paycheck job was as an usher in a walk-in movie theater. Part of my job was to clean the toilets. That took the joy out of the day. Men's toilet was bad, but the women's was nearly always worse. No real clue as to why but such was the case back in the early 1960's.

 

[sk47]

Hello; Talk about going out on a limb about EV's. The bank in the link will no longer make loans to those buying a new ICE in 2025.
Since it is not mandated and buyers will have other banks to go to for a loan, fair enough. They are putting their business on the line for the cause. That is the way it ought to go. People can choose to do business with them or not.

An Australian Bank Will Stop Giving Loans on Internal-Combustion Cars (msn.com)

 

[Inthehighdesert]

Watch how fast that change’s. Can’t fix stupid.

Hello; Talk about going out on a limb about EV's. The bank in the link will no longer make loans to those buying a new ICE in 2025.
Since it is not mandated and buyers will have other banks to go to for a loan, fair enough. They are putting their business on the line for the cause. That is the way it ought to go. People can choose to do business with them or not.

An Australian Bank Will Stop Giving Loans on Internal-Combustion Cars (msn.com)

 

[K4fxd]

Cali to ban new ICE cars by 2035.

Imagine all these cars plugged in every night......

 

[StangTime]

California can't even sustain the grid now. Rolling blackouts are still a thing. Nothing will be rolling in the morning when all those vehicles fail to get recharged.

 

[bloomerfan]

Can you imagine New Orleans after Katrina if everything was electric? Where the frick would you charge with no power for over a month and all the chargers trashed because they've been under water for 30 plus days? As long as there is a jet engine and flying there will be the need for fosil fuel

 

[Bikeman315]

Can you imagine New Orleans after Katrina if everything was electric? Where the frick would you charge with no power for over a month and all the chargers trashed because they've been under water for 30 plus days? As long as there is a jet engine and flying there will be the need for fosil fuel

Forget Katina (well not really, of course) but what about the immense flooding in the Southern part of the country right now. 1000 year rains. But quite frankly these folks aren't going anywhere in their ICE vehicles either.

There is much work to be done before there can be any widespread use of EV's. But there are 13 years before the California rule would start and that is only for new vehicles. ICE are going to be around for a long, long time.

 

[detamble13]

This seems like the hardest demographic of car buyers to convince so I am surprised it's one of Dodge's first EV's to be trotted out, even if it's just a concept. I'm not familiar with any other Dodge EV anyways.

If you wanted a fast EV they already exist you just need the money. Maybe Dodge plans to come in at a lower price point but if this is priced similarly to a Plaid I can't see it selling. If this is in fact a transition to a new era then let the characteristics of the car define itself. Simulated noise and shift points will just be a weak facsimile of what they no longer offer.

 

[sk47]

California can't even sustain the grid now. Rolling blackouts are still a thing. Nothing will be rolling in the morning when all those vehicles fail to get recharged.

Hello; 2035 is around 12 years from now. The question will boil down to how many new vehicles are sold in a year, not so much all vehicles. So yes, some ICE will be around for years as long as the "true believers" can not somehow stop the availability of fuel.

So the energy requirement will be for the new EV's sold in a year plus ever how many are already in service. I imagine current sales figures can be known to use as a base number. Use that number or even better a fuel consumption average for a years worth of new vehicles to get an estimate of the energy equivalent. Then an estimate of the kilowatts of electric of electricity needed. Even just going by new EV vehicles the demand will be huge.

I do not have a clear take on the thinking behind these mandates. I get the jump on board and go for the gusto for the cause sort of emotion. The "true believers" have been more or less convinced this is needed to save the world. A fuzzy future picture these no ICE mandates create is the best I can see. Seems a version of a saved world may include lots of doing without. If these mandates actually go into effect some side effects seem likely to happen.

Electricity as a background commodity just the flip of a switch away likely will no longer exist. Not just during a storm, heat wave or other such emergency, but as an everyday condition. I have tended to think of that future as a do-without sort. Will they just raise the cost of electricity to the point we will have to be very careful of what switch we turn on. Will they require "smart" meters that can be controlled remotely. Whatever else happens it appears likely electric energy will have to be parsed out in some manner.

The only other way of thinking I come up with is the "true believers" are counting on a "some day soon" sort of new technical development will happen which will solve the problems. I see so many posts along this line when we point out problematic aspects of the whole EV scene. The future is happening now. Get on board it will work out.
I have painted a few vehicles. When i talk to someone who has never done that sort of job they tend to discount all the grunt work and time it takes to get the prep work done. In their mind is an image of a great looking paint job. I suspect the reality of the situation will hit about the time it is too late to stop a catastrophic outcome.

Back to your post. I can see the scenario of a morning when almost nothing can move.

 

[bloomerfan]

The dirty secret about EV is that it really not cleaner than fossil fuel due to strip mining, the environmental hazards after a wreck and improper recycling. The answer is hybrid diesel and possibly hydrogen fuel cell

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