Guys, should I get the performance package?

[lazarus870]

I'm about 90% on the performance package.
I originally thought i wanted it on the optional 20s but then I figured with the larger wheel weight, it would be slower and more of a cruiser. But I have to be honest and say I want the Mustang as a sports car. I have a Corolla as a daily driver for any snow, rain, etc. duty.
Ride being firmer? I'm ok with that.
Price? I'm ok with that.
Wheels? I'm ok with them, they're growing on me.

My only stupid, stupid hangup is whether I'll like the 3.73 gears. I know this ain't no gas mileage car but if those gears hurt the mileage further around town or become a pain in the ass on a road trip, it detracts from the fact that I want SOME practicality.
I know I'm being unreasonable, lol.

On the other hand, I theorize that perhaps 3.73 gears would make driving around town better because more low end, less effort to get up to speed. Of course I am just speculating here.

I like to think of the PP as the modern day McQueen Bullitt car.

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[mikeyjobu]

The only thing I regret is not being able to get to 60 in 2nd -- and that's probably just wheel spin -- there's a spreadsheet on here somewhere that suggests that you'd be able to ideally hit about 64 in 2nd -- but I've never done it before hitting fuel cutoff. I just did a road trip from Maryland to Indiana, and went through some bad traffic, some around town stuff, disciplined highway driving, some joyrides for friends and family, and a few other times that had me carefully mitigated into triple digits. My all-time mileage when I left was about 18.5 according to the computer, and now I'm over 20. My trip average is somewhere over 21. On the way out, I was carrying a trunk full of my dad's HO scale locomotives, and my daughter was also with me -- so it wasn't lightly loaded. I think I put about ~1500 miles on or so -- I did a lot of driving while in Indiana. The big radiator is good to have in heavy traffic too!

 

[Waldorf]

I'm about 90% on the performance package.
I originally thought i wanted it on the optional 20s but then I figured with the larger wheel weight, it would be slower and more of a cruiser. But I have to be honest and say I want the Mustang as a sports car. I have a Corolla as a daily driver for any snow, rain, etc. duty.
Ride being firmer? I'm ok with that.
Price? I'm ok with that.
Wheels? I'm ok with them, they're growing on me.

My only stupid, stupid hangup is whether I'll like the 3.73 gears. I know this ain't no gas mileage car but if those gears hurt the mileage further around town or become a pain in the ass on a road trip, it detracts from the fact that I want SOME practicality.
I know I'm being unreasonable, lol.

On the other hand, I theorize that perhaps 3.73 gears would make driving around town better because more low end, less effort to get up to speed. Of course I am just speculating here.

I like to think of the PP as the modern day McQueen Bullitt car.

I replaced 3.08's in a T-Bird 5.oh (pushrod) with 3.55's and a Torsen. Actually got better in town mileage by ~1 mpg. On the highway, it dropped about 1 mpg, so was just about a toss-up.

Yes, a modern day Bullitt car... but with no "one wheel peel".

That is all...

 

[obgod3]

My only stupid, stupid hangup is whether I'll like the 3.73 gears. I know this ain't no gas mileage car but if those gears hurt the mileage further around town or become a pain in the ass on a road trip, it detracts from the fact that I want SOME practicality.
I know I'm being unreasonable, lol.
.

Your currently driving one of the most cost effective vehicles ever made, a Corolla, my daughter has one, great car.

Your going to something entirely different and the gears are not going to matter much at all. I dont think the difference is a factor at all, maybe over 10 years it is.

I drive a Tundra so opposite for me right, Im going be getting great mileage on my Mustang LOL.

 

[Charles147]

My only stupid, stupid hangup is whether I'll like the 3.73 gears.

This is when a test drive is absolutely necessary. Not trying to knock you down but we've worn this thread down and even read a few arguments along the way...It's time for you to tell us what you think!
:cheers:

 

[lazarus870]

This is when a test drive is absolutely necessary. Not trying to knock you down but we've worn this thread down and even read a few arguments along the way...It's time for you to tell us what you think!
:cheers:

You're absolutely right. The only dealer that had them listed within driving distances didn't have any in stock when I went. :(
It listed on the vehicle finder and their website but no PP cars when I got there. Checked all the local ones.
But the salesman said "oh no I have a performance package" and while I waited in excitement, pulled up in an appearance package model. But he was adamant it was the performance package and refused to believe me correcting him.

I guess they're just not that popular here. :shrug:

 

[Waldorf]

You're absolutely right. The only dealer that had them listed within driving distances didn't have any in stock when I went. :(
It listed on the vehicle finder and their website but no PP cars when I got there. Checked all the local ones.
But the salesman said "oh no I have a performance package" and while I waited in excitement, pulled up in an appearance package model. But he was adamant it was the performance package and refused to believe me correcting him.

I guess they're just not that popular here. :shrug:

That's pathetic. I'll be his first name was Noah and his last name was Tall... as in "Mr. Noah Tall". My sympathy, Bro. Maybe Steve Ling should hear about this. Canada IS in North America, no?

That is all...

 

[73MachI]

I'm about 90% on the performance package.
I originally thought i wanted it on the optional 20s but then I figured with the larger wheel weight, it would be slower and more of a cruiser. But I have to be honest and say I want the Mustang as a sports car. I have a Corolla as a daily driver for any snow, rain, etc. duty.
Ride being firmer? I'm ok with that.
Price? I'm ok with that.
Wheels? I'm ok with them, they're growing on me.

My only stupid, stupid hangup is whether I'll like the 3.73 gears. I know this ain't no gas mileage car but if those gears hurt the mileage further around town or become a pain in the ass on a road trip, it detracts from the fact that I want SOME practicality.
I know I'm being unreasonable, lol.

On the other hand, I theorize that perhaps 3.73 gears would make driving around town better because more low end, less effort to get up to speed. Of course I am just speculating here.

I like to think of the PP as the modern day McQueen Bullitt car.

You aren't being unreasonable, you're just weighing alternatives and deciding what's important to you. Ideally, you'd take a PP out for a spin and then you'd be able to decide. If that's not a possibility, then I can only offer this: All the noise about the 3.73 is just that, noise. I drive and shift my 2015 Mustang GT with Performance Package about exactly the same as I do my beater Honda Civic Si daily driver. I work upwards through the gears at exactly the same shift points, except now I have an overdrive for the freeway, and the Ford has tons of torque available so I don't need to downshift for power the way I do with the Honda.

The Perf Pack makes for a very responsive city driver, and as it's not my DD I don't care if there's a minor hit on freeway mileage due to the 3.73 - it's trivial unless you get to a macro scale (e.g. CAFE).

 

[GNS]

You're absolutely right. The only dealer that had them listed within driving distances didn't have any in stock when I went. :(
It listed on the vehicle finder and their website but no PP cars when I got there. Checked all the local ones.
But the salesman said "oh no I have a performance package" and while I waited in excitement, pulled up in an appearance package model. But he was adamant it was the performance package and refused to believe me correcting him.

I guess they're just not that popular here. :shrug:

That's not exactly true, you just got the typical dumbass salesman. When I was in Montreal a couple of weeks ago, I saw at least 2 - 3 GTs (and a convertible GT) running around. I've seen at least two around Waterloo / Kitchener, and there are even more up in Toronto.

Well, there's no helping it, I guess you'll just have to go get that sweet, sweet Toyota Camry that's been calling your name.





right?


JK - go special order your car and wait for it, but don't do it at the dealer with that salesman. Also, I must have said this a few times, but the 3.73 gears are only built with the Torsen, and vice versa. I did some reading and research on spring-loaded clutch pack LSDs (3.31 / 3.55) and the design of the Torsen (3.73) and I honestly think that the Torsen and the Brembos are the standout features on the PP.

 

[WeinerDog]

You're absolutely right. The only dealer that had them listed within driving distances didn't have any in stock when I went. :(
It listed on the vehicle finder and their website but no PP cars when I got there. Checked all the local ones.
But the salesman said "oh no I have a performance package" and while I waited in excitement, pulled up in an appearance package model. But he was adamant it was the performance package and refused to believe me correcting him.

I guess they're just not that popular here. :shrug:

Ya know, at least that's a salesman. I saw a guy (a kid, looked about 15 but I guess he was older than that) driving a '15 GT the other day and I complimented his car and told him I had a PP ordered.

He said, "Cool, this is a PP". It absolutely was not. I said "The PP cars have Brembo brakes" and he said "Those are Brembos". I wasn't going to argue with him. Pretty sad to actually own a car and not know what it is. I'm guessing it was his father's or mother's car.

 

[hiccup]

Ya know, at least that's a salesman. I saw a guy (a kid, looked about 15 but I guess he was older than that) driving a '15 GT the other day and I complimented his car and told him I had a PP ordered.

He said, "Cool, this is a PP". It absolutely was not. I said "The PP cars have Brembo brakes" and he said "Those are Brembos". I wasn't going to argue with him. Pretty sad to actually own a car and not know what it is. I'm guessing it was his father's or mother's car.

I know that feeling..My boss has friend who recently got a new non-pp 2015 base dib gt. So my boss shows me some pics of the car and tells me why her friend decided to go with the pp gt. So I couldn't let her carry on and had to shut her down..It was a good looking car but I had to explain to her why it wasn't a perfpack car..addle:

 

[tea cups]

I've been looking to order a 16 GT and have been going back and forth on the PP option. From a performance perspective, I think it is a no-brainer in most cases but there are some practical reasons why I might skip on it:

1. No spare tire - I drive in areas where there's no towns or cell service for many miles. If a tire gets sidewall damage or such, I am basically screwed. I wish there was a DIY spare tire option for PP - some wheel/tire combo that I could put together that would fit in the well of the trunk. But, because of the big front brembos' you need a wide enough tire to clear them and from what I've read that won't fit in the trunk's wheel well.

2. No narrow/smaller snow tires possible - I can end up driving in some deeper snow at times in the winter (more than just a few inches) and a narrow/smaller tire is best in that case. From my understanding the narrowest/smallest tires you can fit on PP in the front are 245/45/19. This also limits you on the selection of snow tires - Bridgestone Blizzaks WS-XX aren't available in this size (best snow tires that I've used).

3. Can't rotate - rear tires on a Mustang are going to get the brunt of the tire wear (for obvious reasons). So, no ability to rotate means you will be replacing the rears much more often than if you could (not a cheap tire size either).

4. gas mileage - not a huge concern for me with a muscle car but I do drive a constant speed on the highway for a good period of time so the 3.73s (vs 3.31) will likely show some difference (maybe 1-2 mpg?). EPA rating of 25 mpg highway was tested with 3.31 rear gears. I'm not sure there's a huge straight-line performance difference between the two either.

Ultimately, #1 is the biggest one for me. The rest are not nearly as important but they do add up to me considering skipping the PP option.

 

[Chameleon]

If you wanted them after the fact:
6 piston Brembos - $1900
Torsen Diff - $980
Torsen Diff install - $$$
Upgraded radiator - $640
19" wheels/tires used - $1000

Please stop posting bad info. Most shop for much better prices. Thought you learned that on the PP radiator thread.

 

[73MachI]

I've been looking to order a 16 GT and have been going back and forth on the PP option. From a performance perspective, I think it is a no-brainer in most cases but there are some practical reasons why I might skip on it:

1. No spare tire - I drive in areas where there's no towns or cell service for many miles. If a tire gets sidewall damage or such, I am basically screwed. I wish there was a DIY spare tire option for PP - some wheel/tire combo that I could put together that would fit in the well of the trunk. But, because of the big front brembos' you need a wide enough tire to clear them and from what I've read that won't fit in the trunk's wheel well.

2. No narrow/smaller snow tires possible - I can end up driving in some deeper snow at times in the winter (more than just a few inches) and a narrow/smaller tire is best in that case. From my understanding the narrowest/smallest tires you can fit on PP in the front are 245/45/19. This also limits you on the selection of snow tires - Bridgestone Blizzaks WS-XX aren't available in this size (best snow tires that I've used).

3. Can't rotate - rear tires on a Mustang are going to get the brunt of the tire wear (for obvious reasons). So, no ability to rotate means you will be replacing the rears much more often than if you could (not a cheap tire size either).

4. gas mileage - not a huge concern for me with a muscle car but I do drive a constant speed on the highway for a good period of time so the 3.73s (vs 3.31) will likely show some difference (maybe 1-2 mpg?). EPA rating of 25 mpg highway was tested with 3.31 rear gears. I'm not sure there's a huge straight-line performance difference between the two either.

Ultimately, #1 is the biggest one for me. The rest are not nearly as important but they do add up to me considering skipping the PP option.

You've got the reasoning down sound. If I were in your circumstances, I would also hesitate to get the PP, and similarly to you, mainly for #1. #2 doesn't concern me personally because, despite my annual average of over 6 feet of snow here in SWO, I live in the city and could always work around not driving a daily driver GT/PP for a couple days in the winter until streets are ploughed. #3 I couldn't care less about; if I can afford a GT/PP then I can afford to replace tires. Seems like table stakes to me. #4, I don't think that the difference would be all that large and if it was, I'd just stick closer to the speed limit to increase mileage.

A square setup is more practical, but wow, the staggered setup looks so hot on the GT/PP.

Speaking of which, I had to chuckle the other day, I saw a blacked out Honda Accord coupe with a staggered setup. It seemed a little pretentious for a FWD'er to me... but I doubt most people would realize or care.

I haven't heard a better solution to issue #1 yet, so I would likely order a straight GT were I in your shoes. Who wants to drive around with a trunk full of mounted spares?

 

[Blk2015GT]

Originally Posted by ForTehNguyen View Post
If you wanted them after the fact:
6 piston Brembos - $1900
Torsen Diff - $980
Torsen Diff install - $$$
Upgraded radiator - $640
19" wheels/tires used - $1000

Please stop posting bad info. Most shop for much better prices. Thought you learned that on the PP radiator thread.

Of course it's complete FUD

REAL WORLD PRICES

6 piston Brembos- $250/caliper $100/rotor; pads $200 OEM or get aftermrket cheaper- total $800-900.

PP radiator- $450

Torsen does not equal magical where you should swap your trans for it for $1000+ Better using the money on a different gear ratio like 3.55s (or even get the 3.73) for $199 and a couple hundred for the install.

Springs- most people go aftermarket for the drop even on the PP but $200-300.

Sway bars- most people go aftermarket as the PP aren't much different than the GT- $500

PP wheels/tires are NOT really worth buying after the fact, and the Pirelli tires are horrible. Better buying a wider set and nicer tires like even PP owners do too. Not a factor since 50% of PP owners replace the wheels/tires to begin with.

You can buy the main PP components for about what the PP costs; and some of the aftermarket parts are better to begin with that people with the PP still upgrade like the suspension.

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