GTD allocations should be this week

[Bulldogs22]

It makes you think if they knew this weight was the outcome all along they could have went twin turbo. Sure new emissions etc. but at this price point it could support the engineering costs (could be wrong). The extra hp could help out with the weight and seems the aero would support more power

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[Epiphany]

Ford tends not to release any official ring times, I don't believe that they ever took the GT500 to the ring, and if they did I don't believe they released it

Ford used to not favor Ring times as a measure of performance that they felt necessary, that was true.

If you believe Ford never took the GTD to the Ring, how do you explain video footage, photos, etc, from numerous sources?

You don't believe Ford released a time to an event(s) that you believe never occurred?

Hmm.

 

[ZLwhat]

Ford used to not favor Ring times as a measure of performance that they felt necessary, that was true.

If you believe Ford never took the GTD to the Ring, how do you explain video footage, photos, etc, from numerous sources?

You don't believe Ford released a time to an event(s) that you believe never occurred?

Hmm.

It did occur, I was just simply saying that Ford tends not to use a ring time as a performance "measurement" which is exactly why the GT500 was never taken there, basically because the ZL1 times (at a much much cheaper price point) would have blown it out of the water, so why would they jeopardize sales for a silly time.

 

[Epiphany]

Again, Ford indeed didn't favor Ring times as a necessary metric. This, from an interview at SVTP some 12 years ago, Jamaal Hameedi, then Ford Global Performance Vehicle Chief Engineer:

"Ring times! Oh man don't even get me started on this topic. Our (my) view is that there is no such thing as an official manufacturer Ring time. The times being posted by many manufacturers are in my humble opinion akin to qualifying times being set at a race with no pre/post inspection (ie it would never happen). In the racing world - inspection/verification is a key part of the sport. In order for us to set an "official" time corner weights would have to be taken, calibration checksums need to be verified, engine power verified via chassis rolls, a hoist inspection, and probably a fuel sample taken by an independent 3rd party like a governing/sanctioning body. I would love to see this since everyone seems to be infatuated with Ring times. Having said that, I think it's really important that performance cars be judged against one another on the track - but the comparisons really need to be on the same day by a professional driver (just track condition from day to day puts another huge variable in comparisons). We have seen lap time spreads of over 3 sec with same car same driver different day at VIR. Now extrapolate that to a track with a 7 min lap time. Motor Trend collects cars on the same day and puts a professional driver behind the wheel - not journalists whose driving ability puts yet another huge variable in lap times - and compares vehicles same driver same day. I think they do it correctly. So does Auto Motor und Sport in Germany.

The reason we test at the Ring is because it is a fantastic venue for doing vehicle dynamics work. You get so much different content in terms of turns, elevation, etc that you would need to visit 5 different tracks to duplicate it. It's also a chance for our North American vehicle dynamics guys to cross pollinate with our Team RS guys since we are all one group now. Team RS gets a chance to offer feedback on the RWD cars and the SVT guys offer perspective on the FWD cars. That's really powerful and worth spending the money to send cars and engineers over there. Renting the Ring exclusively ($$$$$!) to make a video - not so much. I'd rather put that money into the car.

I know this isn't what the internet bench racers want to hear. As soon as there is a standard for measuring lap times - our performance vehicles will be the first in line to get tested. Until then - it's just marketing and a total free for all. They are very cool to watch though. Lol. The 2013/2014 GT500 sold just fine without a published Ring time (who could have imagined!). Actually we spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to make more GT500s due to high demand. I've seen other performance cars with published Ring times being offered with incentives and cash on the hood (again - who could have imagined!). So I sleep pretty well at night. And spend my days (and nights) working on the next slayer vs. worrying about Ring times.

Hopefully this gives you some perspective on where our minds are at wrt Ring times."

The GTD has some lofty expectations placed upon it in the context of the class of cars it "competes" with. Many of them have run some impressive times. Ford felt compelled to try to do the same. I don't see that as unreasonable.

 

[ZLwhat]

Again, Ford indeed didn't favor Ring times as a necessary metric. That was then...

The GTD has some lofty expectations placed upon it in the context of the class of cars it "competes" with. Many of them have run some impressive times. Ford felt compelled to try to do the same. I don't see that as unreasonable.

The price tag is unreasonable if they can't compete with the same class...

 

[MAGS1]

Yeah for those that overpaid with dealerships outrageous markups, those numbers tend to show how dumb some were to purchase at exuberant prices

What are you talking about? We’re talking about the GTD, a $350k+ car. Something that most buyers will park in their garage along with their other toys (save for the few here and elsewhere that have said they would track it as it was built to do).

 

[Bikeman315]

What are you talking about? We’re talking about the GTD, a $350k+ car. Something that most buyers will park in their garage along with their other toys (save for the few here and elsewhere that have said they would track it as it was built to do).

I see another ignore in the near future

 

[MAGS1]

I see another ignore in the near future

I seriously don’t know what car he’s talking about. Dealer markups, talking about deliveries be taken already, none of which exist at this point. As I understand it from some in this thread, the dealers that facilitate the delivery to the buyers of these cars get some kind of fee from Ford, thus ADM should not be charged. So no clue what car he’s talking about

 

[MAGS1]

Also, there is a large segment of buyers that have been allocated cars that couldn’t care less what the weight or Ring time is, as Ira alluded to. They want the car because of the exclusivity, as another toy to add to their collection. Probably will be parked next to their GT’s, Ferrari’s, etc. And there’s a whole host of YouTuber’s that got allocations as well. They likely don’t care about any of that stuff either, they will make content with it then dump it after the 2 year hold period expires (most of them anyway, some will hold them like Schmee most likely).

 

[DopamineQuest]

It did occur, I was just simply saying that Ford tends not to use a ring time as a performance "measurement" which is exactly why the GT500 was never taken there, basically because the ZL1 times (at a much much cheaper price point) would have blown it out of the water, so why would they jeopardize sales for a silly time.

Different cars that this thread is talking about, and different purposes. Just like the ZL1 would most likely "blow" the 500 out of the water on the ring, 500's have been shitting on ZL1s on the street and strip for over a decade

 

[wingnutt]

…the ZL1 would most likely "blow" the 500 out of the water on the ring, 500's have been shitting on ZL1s on the street and strip for over a decade

 

[dpAtlanta]

Like i said..... fill in the blank.

718 GT4...............?

You won't be able to order/receive a 718 GT4 RS unless you have spent 5 million in vehicle purchase through Porsche.
But the 718 GT4 is light weight, great horsepower and handling. Even Porsche is reported a saying that this is most probably the best handling Porsche ever. No first-hand knowledge, however.

 

[Evolvd]

718 GT4...............?

You won't be able to order/receive a 718 GT4 RS unless you have spent 5 million in vehicle purchase through Porsche.
But the 718 GT4 is light weight, great horsepower and handling. Even Porsche is reported a saying that this is most probably the best handling Porsche ever. No first-hand knowledge, however.

Do you have a link to that quote? There's a few Youtubers out there who have one on order and I know for fact they haven't spent $5M on Porsches.

 

[dpAtlanta]

Do you have a link to that quote? There's a few Youtubers out there who have one on order and I know for fact they haven't spent $5M on Porsches.

No link... I was told personally by Jim Ellis Porsche, that only customers who have spent 5M on total Porsche purchases would be able to order at 718 GT4 RS.
Now this is the "RS" model. Anyone can get on the order list for a regular 718 GT4.... the RS is a different beast apparently.

Porsche may be pandering to the You-Tuber whores for advertising recognition.

 

[SL8888]

Do you have a link to that quote? There's a few Youtubers out there who have one on order and I know for fact they haven't spent $5M on Porsches.

718 GT4...............?

You won't be able to order/receive a 718 GT4 RS unless you have spent 5 million in vehicle purchase through Porsche.
But the 718 GT4 is light weight, great horsepower and handling. Even Porsche is reported a saying that this is most probably the best handling Porsche ever. No first-hand knowledge, however.

911 GT2 RS for me please !

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