GT350 vs. Z/28

[thePill]

Its widely known that the official lap finished wet. Its also known that they have done many test laps there. Its not too hard to overlay two laps and see how much time was lost due to rain and how much faster the time would have been if the track was completely dry. Based off a lap they already did.

But here's the thing, they couldn't beat a 7:37 during the 10 day, 40+ laps they ran. Al himself stated that they ran a 7:37 on the last lap of the last day. They NEVER ran faster than a 7:37.

My guys were on hand for around 7 days, they never witnessed a sub-7:40 lap from the z28. They went again in October and, just as last time, they never witnessed a sub-7:40 run. It isn't an exact science but, we brought you most f the Mustang and Camaro times before they were released. In some cases, years passed before thePill was proven correct.

If the z28 is routinely pumping out 7:40-7:45 laps, it isn't as far off from their 7:37 as it sounds. It's between 200 and 600 feet and is a missed shift away.

I'm sure if Baby Jesus was driving the z28 could possibly manage a 7:31.


The GT350 is just down right faster and more consistent at this track. Also worth noting, Chevy was on hand while the GT350 made its laps.


We have a handful of gossipers stating a 7:29 was also accomplished... With 305/315's, a 1.65/1.68 WB:T Ratio and a low RC/CG will make it difficult to deal with the Mustang.

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[Erik427]

:ford:I see a showdown in the making! Go Ford!:ford:

 

[68fbjjz109]

https://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/

What is weird is the GT350R is listed... I wonder how they quantify their information?

 

[mustangletback]

https://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/

What is weird is the GT350R is listed... I wonder how they quantify their information?

dam,thats a good find.someone has footage somewhere:ford:

 

[Rv-Junke]

I'm finding myself trying to mod my new GT to be like my GT500, I know that's impossible but I keep mentally modifying into Shelby World. Looking through this I'm thinking I should a. Stop and trade in for a GT350 or wait and trade for a GT500 in 2016. I know off topic slightly but you all seem to know the new Shelbys intametly. Love your thoughts.

 

[thePill]

https://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/

What is weird is the GT350R is listed... I wonder how they quantify their information?

They ARE NOT suppose to be advertising that. That IS NOT their number...

That is not the deal when renting the track for industry pools and R&D.

They need to pull that false info immediately...

I don't know what the f@ck they think they are doing!!!

 

[Sasuketr]

GT 350 is much faster than the out going GT 500.

On a road coarse yes, straight line the GT500 will have the GT350 for breakfast! Its a straight line animal!

 

[68fbjjz109]

On a road coarse yes, straight line the GT500 will have the GT350 for breakfast! Its a straight line animal!

While that might be the outcome.

We have no idea what the GT350 or GT350R will weigh in at. There is the potential for weight savings, which may put the power to weight ratio between the 14 GT500 and the 16 GT350 close.

That coupled with the Tire the GT350 and GT350R are coming with over the GT500 may further close the gap in the straight line.

 

[1320']

One thing to consider is that the GT500, especially the Trinity 5.8, will out power the GT350 in a pure straight line blast, if the 350 holds its energy in the turns it will likely nullify any power advantages the 500 has. If Car A has 662 HP going into a turn but loses 30% of its effective power in the process but car B has 540Hp and loses 15% of its power...who is better off leaving the turn?

 

[Hack]

One thing to consider is that the GT500, especially the Trinity 5.8, will out power the GT350 in a pure straight line blast, if the 350 holds its energy in the turns it will likely nullify any power advantages the 500 has. If Car A has 662 HP going into a turn but loses 30% of its effective power in the process but car B has 540Hp and loses 15% of its power...who is better off leaving the turn?

It also depends a huge amount on the track. Some tracks like Nurburgring have long enough straights that big power can win. Small, tight tracks are rules by vehicles that can turn better.

 

[Sasuketr]

So a 350R lapped it in 7:32 but an old ZO6 did in 7:22? Damn!

Pill, at least they beat the 7:37 of the old Z28!

 

[Taneras]

https://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/

What is weird is the GT350R is listed... I wonder how they quantify their information?

Lots of times that hit right on the second mark (ex: 7:45.00) so I'm not sure how accurate all those times are.

 

[thePill]

The best action shots of a z28 by far.

Look at the suspension geometry changes on the bottom pic on the right front tire. That is visibly distorted and quite common on Mac P systems. No vehicle is immune to this, it occurs in both suspension and platform and cannot be stopped.

Good pics, this should have been what the Camaro was about day 1.

Edit:

Now, lets have a look at the R. Specially formulated to f@cked with the z28. The first picture here reveals my true if identity,, Yes, that is me in the flame cap and Mustang shirt tucked in. Don't judge me.. I had been standing there for 17 days...

The GT350R is coming into this comparison with a better foot print, better rubber, better brakes, more power, less weight and probably can be done for cheaper.

 

[Sasuketr]

Pill,

Very nice pics for the Z28 and gt350, thanks for sharing! My question is what will be Ford's response for the corvette? Back in the day the gt500 was the solution but chevy didn't have the zl1 or z28 camaro that can compete with the gt500!

Now we look at chevy and they have hipo camaro's that can even compete with the top dog of Ford! Camaro should be in the league of regular gt not gt350 or gt500! If you go that way then which Ford car is going to compete with the corvette z51, zo6, zo7 and zr1?

Ford is bringin back the Ford GT but to compete with super car segments! I feel like Ford has to improve the regular gt and its versions to face the camaro's, while keeping the gt 350 as a corvette competitor and the gt 500 as the z07 competitor! I don't see a reason to bring down the gt 350 in the camaro level! It should serve for more than that!

In addition to that, why not buy a Gen5 zo6 at 10,000 miles for $45,000 instead of a Z28 for $75,000? They both serve track purpose and share the same engine though corvette is lighter and faster around the track!

 

[garagelogic]

Pill,

Very nice pics for the Z28 and gt350, thanks for sharing! My question is what will be Ford's response for the corvette? Back in the day the gt500 was the solution but chevy didn't have the zl1 or z28 camaro that can compete with the gt500!

Now we look at chevy and they have hipo camaro's that can even compete with the dop dog of Ford! Camaro should be in the league of regular gt not gt350 or gt500! If you go that way then which Ford car is going to compete with the corvette z51, zo6, zo7 and zr1?

Ford is bringin back the Ford GT but to compete with super car segments! I feel like Ford has to improve the regular gt and its versions to face the camaro's, while keeping the gt 350 as a corvette competitor and the gt 500 as the z07 competitor! I don't see a reason to bring down the gt 350 in the camaro level! It should serve for more than that!

In addition to that, why not buy a Gen5 zo6 at 10,000 miles for $45,000 instead of a Z28 for $75,000? They both serve track purpose and share the same engine though corvette is lighter and faster around the track!

No Mustang has EVER been designed/engineered to go head-to-head with the Corvette. Certainly not the GT500, as you seem to think.
Frankly, I don't think Ford cares to go head-to-head with that car and I, for one, see no upside to Ford in doing so.

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