GT350 vs. Z/28

[thePill]

VIR Crew confirmed a 2015. The Mustang can roll over in May while the last 2015's are scheduled. They need to hurry up, time is running out.

Also, the Mustang's that were photographed at the Drag Strip were NOT GT500's. They were GT350's

They were sent to the drag strip right after the brake department finished with them.

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[Sasuketr]

Just checked the prices z28 base price $74,000 and corvette zo6 base price $80,999! The z28 is not a smart buyers choice! Even for a track use, the base zo6 will dominate the z28 and you can take your loved one to a proper dinner in style lol!

 

[Todd15Fastback]

At least does the boat have a custom Ford motor in there or something else? Since i know you told me you bleed blue :lol:

Ha!! Good one...I did chuckle for sure:lol:

Nope, no Ford power plant.

 

[thePill]

Just checked the prices z28 base price $74,000 and corvette zo6 base price $80,999! The z28 is not a smart buyers choice! Even for a track use, the base zo6 will dominate the z28 and you can take your loved one to a proper dinner in style lol!

That has kinda been my point here, the z28 should have been cheaper or better for the $$$. The issue with the CCB's were replacing them for class racing, as well as the front 305 in some classes. For $75,000, they had more than enough room to offer a competition Z/28 (see the slash). The reason they didn't? The Camaro needed that equipment to be competitive with the other cars in it's class.

The sad truth is, the 5th Gen's GS.R Camaro in IMSA couldn't cut it with the LS3/M10. The Camaro was such a foul that it absolutely required extensive modification and equipment advantage to be competitive.

According to the driver of the Black z28, he was 2 seconds faster than the ZL1 he just traded in. 2 seconds at VIR is a set of tires for the ZL1...

 

[garagelogic]

So the question comes to this, if i m looking for a track car what will stop me of buying a ZO7 rather than a gt350R? Assuming similar price range both $80,000 base price!

Nothing. It would boil down to your personal preference.

 

[1320']

After how many years of production did GM still fail to fully correct the LS7'S head problem?

Sorry...it's numbers are impressive in a digit swinging match, but having an engine that doesn't eat itself is much better

 

[Stuntman]

I think so but I will throw this out there right now.... FIA GT3 is super serious now. It could be the reason for a FPC too... If Ford can get the platform into GT3 without modifications like last Gen, I will sh!t my pants.

Like last gen? The S197 that was in GT3 had a transaxle and was pretty much tubbed from the driver back.

 

[thePill]

Like last gen? The S197 that was in GT3 had a transaxle and was pretty much tubbed from the driver back.

...and an onboard jack.. You sound like you made a discovery... You didn't...


Sad the Camaro needs just as much work to run PWC. The S197 is full bodied...

 

[Stuntman]

...and an onboard jack.. You sound like you made a discovery... You didn't...

I'm repeating what I told you last year. So I'm not sure what you meant by the "last gen" racing in GT3 "without modifications" ...

You also thought the last Mustangs that raced in Tudor (Grand Am) GT were unibody cars when the last cars that raced (Black forest/Roush and Rick Ware) were tubeframes.

Sad the Camaro needs just as much work to run PWC. The S197 is full bodied...

We've already covered this numerous times, yet you keep twisting the facts to support your nonsense. PWC S197s have composite hoods while the Camaros have composite hoods, and the addition of composite doors, and rear deck lid. Not a huge difference in my book.

 

[thePill]

Sorry, CTSC is the closest thing you will get to an OEM Camaro... and it needed extensive changes to go along with its limited restriction. The PWC cars are Riley cars.

Here's a laugh, the Camaro uses a composite body in T1, the Boss is a seem welded OEM frame.

Must blow to suck that bad...

Crawford Mustang in GT was custom.

You are pathetic...

Edit: for the record, the MARC VDS Mustang used a steel OEM structure. I have no idea what tubing from the driver back means. It's either tubed or it isn't, the main front support rails and runners are supported by the Unibody you clown shoe.

Where in gods green earth have you ever seen a race car use an OEM front section then go full tube the rest of the way back?

You can't be that uninformed. I've heard plenty of new info from you and this is probably the best. You should build cages for Formula 1...


How's the 1LE doing in Motorsport? Got its ass handed to it, again, 4th Season in a row... By a 2015 GTPP.

Ha!!! Classic!!!

 

[Stuntman]

Sorry, CTSC is the closest thing you will get to an OEM Camaro... and it needed extensive changes to go along with its limited restriction. The PWC cars are Riley cars.

Here's a laugh, the Camaro uses a composite body in T1, the Boss is a seem welded OEM frame.

Must blow to suck that bad...

Crawford Mustang in GT was custom.

You are pathetic...

Edit: for the record, the MARC VDS Mustang used a steel OEM structure. I have no idea what tubing from the driver back means. It's either tuned or it isn't, the main front support rails and runners are supported by the Unibody you clown shoe.

I told you last year the Marc VDS car had a carbon tubbed rear section that bolted to the stock unibody. This was done since you could not fit or mount a transaxle under the stock unibody sheet metal behind the driver. You can go back and read my posts to re familiarize yourself.

I guess you still resort to personal attacks and name calling when you're proven wrong. Grow up.

Where in gods green earth have you ever seen a race car use an OEM front section then go full tube the rest of the way back?!

Re read my post above.

You can't be that uninformed. I've heard plenty of new info from you and this is probably the best. You should build cages for Formula 1...!

That's funny coming from the guy who said indycars have "cages" instead of the carbon monocoque/monocell 'tubs' that the industry calls them.

 

[thePill]

I told you last year the Marc VDS car had a carbon tubbed rear section that bolted to the stock unibody. This was done since you could not fit or mount a transaxle under the stock unibody sheet metal behind the driver. You can go back and read my posts to re familiarize yourself.

I guess you still resort to personal attacks and name calling when you're proven wrong. Grow up.


Re read my post above.


That's funny coming from the guy who said indycars have "cages" instead of the carbon monocoque/monocell 'tubs' that the industry calls them.

:lol:

Is it funny? I thought it was hilarious sending you on random Google missions to quickly educate yourself before you post. That's my favorite thing.

Prove me wrong? On what? Ruleboooks? You guys didn't even know a Rulebook existed before I made this thread. I attack you personally because you are an easy target. You orginally came in here to tell me "the z28 would be allowed in Motorsport"

Oh yeah? How'd that work out?


Since you are a cage expert, tell me, in your professional opinion, would this vehicle benefit from any additional reinforcement. Lets say a full cage... Your second argument was that "The z28 didn't benefit from a cage at Nurburgring".

Care to explain this?

I say chassis flex and you say auto-camber... Sure looks like a whole lot of chassis flex to me.

Wasn't you the guy that had no idea about weight distribution and tire pressure but came in here to matter of factly talk about weighing a car?

I haven't learned anything from you except that a full grown man can cry...


Edit: Back to the 1LE, how come this "Ultimate Drivers Car" can't save itself from a field of S197's, 5.0's and a damn Ecoboost Mustang? I want to hear your excuse for that. Every year nobody wants to talk about the 1LE's performance the season prior. But quick to pull out Motor Trend. The 1LE is GT food...

I also want to hear about this half OEM/half Tube Frame GT3 Mustang you keep talking about. I want to see how that was done and remained in one piece the whole season. Tubed from the driver back? Are you smoking crack cocaine? Stop it...


Any comments on why the mighty z28 needs a 7 liter engine with almost no restriction to compete in a field of 350hp Sports Coupes? Does it need the extra 100hp? I would sure love the GT350 to be allowed a 100hp advantage on only a 15mm restriction.

Wait... why the hell is the z28 racing there anyway? It never homologated the car, doesn't use it's OEM wheels/tires/brakes, transmission (from the GS.R, rear end (GS.R), F1 shocks and a Preatt-Miller tuned LS7.

MUST BE NICE!!!!

 

[Stuntman]

The Z28 seems to be doing pretty well in CTSCC... you said the cage was worth 8+ seconds at nurburgring and there was "No Way" any car could turn a sub (i forget, 8 minute?) time at nurburgring without a cage. Which is pretty ridiculous in its own right.

Changing tire pressure on the fronts or rear does not have any impact (of any significance) on the F-R weight distribution of the car. I said to scale a car and deflate the rear tires and let me know what the F-R weight distribution change was. You havn't because likely you have never personally worked on a car with scales, but rather talked second hand to people who have.

Look up pictures of the Marc VDS' transaxle and you'll understand.

Your continued belief that GS cars have 400hp at the crank is another example of the many statements that proves you really do not know what you're talking about. You have a decent vocabulary and know enough to be dangerous, but you really don't understand half of the stuff you talk about.

But please continue... you're always a fun read, although its also good for the readers to hear some facts and understand some of your GM hating red mist is incorrect.

 

[thePill]

The z28 better be doing "well" it has 100 more HP and 2 more liters.

A transaxle has nothing to do with an OEM shell.

So a cage isn't worth much? Yet Chevy left the rear seats in for rigidity? If you take the cage out of the z28, it probably would have trouble breaking 8 minutes. If what you see above happened at Nurburgring, you would be dead.

Tire pressure has a dramatic effect of weight distribution. Statements like that is the reason I don't take you seriously.

 

[Stuntman]

A transaxle has nothing to do with an OEM shell.

Tire pressure has a dramatic effect of weight distribution. Statements like that is the reason I don't take you seriously.

As I said before (and a year ago), the VDS car has an OEM unibody. A transaxle will NOT fit under the stock untouched unibody. Imagine trying to stuff a Corvette transaxle where the fuel tank and S197's solid axle is. It does not fit. This area was 'tubbed' with carbon to mount the transaxle; thus not "untouched to run in GT3" like you claimed.

FTLOG, go put a car on scales and deflate the rear tires. You will see virtually no change in weight distribution, let alone the 2-3% shift that you have stated numerous times. Until then you keep proving you have no idea what you're talking about and have never scaled a car in your life.

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