GT350 vs. Z/28

[Erik427]

Nobody here even knows what the GT350 will weigh or how much power the 5.2 will make and at what rpm. All we know at this point is that Ford has used carbon fiber in the car's construction. The 5.2 will make more than 100 hp per liter.

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[cosmo]

Nobody here even knows what the GT350 will weigh or how much power the 5.2 will make and at what rpm. All we know at this point is that Ford has used carbon fiber in the car's construction. The 5.2 will make more than 100 hp per liter.

True. It'll be interesting to see what the weight comes out to be. I'm hopeful for the 5.2, but cautious. On the flipside, we may not know what the weight is, but we also don't know if the 5.2 FPC is any good or not. I'm cautious about the largest flat plane V8 crank being in a ~$55k Ford Mustang...

 

[Sasuketr]

What amazes me with the corvette is that a car with 465hp is rated 17 mpg city and 29 mpg highway! That 29 mpg is just ridiculous, some 4 cylinder cars don't get that much mpg! My gtpp is rated at 25 but i am able squeeze 25.5 to 26 mpg on the highway and i m guessing the corvette might be getting even 30 mpg on the highway.

 

[Erik427]

True. It'll be interesting to see what the weight comes out to be. I'm hopeful for the 5.2, but cautious. On the flipside, we may not know what the weight is, but we also don't know if the 5.2 FPC is any good or not. I'm cautious about the largest flat plane V8 crank being in a ~$55k Ford Mustang...

The Voodo is one of the highest hp to cid V-8s ever. I might have stumbled on a clue to the motor's final hp number. I'm afraid that I might make a fool of myself. Somebody quoted 585hp with long tubes and cat delete. This came from a source that is normally pretty accurate over the years. This is all I know for the moment. Still to early to say if this is true or even possible. I need another source to validate.....

 

[Sasuketr]

The Voodo is one of the highest hp to cid V-8s ever. I might have stumbled on a clue to the motor's final hp number. I'm afraid that I might make a fool of myself. Somebody quoted 585hp with long tubes and cat delete. This came from a source that is normally pretty accurate over the years. This is all I know for the moment. Still to early to say if this is true or even possible. I need another source to validate.....

Lol, its not magic think about it, if 435 coyote can get up to 500 hp with the same modes why not add 65 hp to 520hp and make it 585hp! I think its still too early to assume how that engine will handle mods!

 

[mustangletback]

Lol, its not magic think about it, if 435 coyote can get up to 500 hp with the same modes why not add 65 hp to 520hp and make it 585hp! I think its still too early to assume how that engine will handle mods!

look at it this way,remember the BOSS sx that FORD showed off years ago was a 5.0 with 500hp,and it was an N/A motor.so it is my belief that the 5.2,could handle 600hp with no problem.:ford:

 

[Todd15Fastback]

The Voodo is one of the highest hp to cid V-8s ever. I might have stumbled on a clue to the motor's final hp number. I'm afraid that I might make a fool of myself. Somebody quoted 585hp with long tubes and cat delete. This came from a source that is normally pretty accurate over the years. This is all I know for the moment. Still to early to say if this is true or even possible. I need another source to validate.....

Don't FPC's typically respond really well to long tubes or an improved exhaust system, more so vs. a cross plane motor? I thought I read this some in discussions of Ferrai's, Lotus, etc.

 

[Strokerswild]

Don't FPC's typically respond really well to long tubes or an improved exhaust system, more so vs. a cross plane motor? I thought I read this some in discussions of Ferrai's, Lotus, etc.

I would imagine that they would, since better breathing/scavenging is one of the pros of an FPC engine....

 

[Todd15Fastback]

I would imagine that they would, since better breathing/scavenging is one of the pros of an FPC engine....

Thanks!

 

[Sabre]

Cross planes probably have more to gain from long tubes and a proper collector due to its inherently worse scavenging since the pulses are not separated L-R-L-R like a FPC. I dont think a FPC would respond to a Tri-Y header design like CPC motors do.

This ^^^^^^

 

[Hack]

Don't FPC's typically respond really well to long tubes or an improved exhaust system, more so vs. a cross plane motor? I thought I read this some in discussions of Ferrai's, Lotus, etc.

Sounds backwards to me. The strength of the flat plane is that you never have two cylinders on the same bank firing sequentially.

When the two cylinders fire sequentially that's where the longer tubes really benefit you, because they separate the exhaust pulses better.

The exhaust design specs for each bank in a FPC engine would look more like those for a 4 cylinder engine. I don't know anything about what that looks like, though.

 

[thePill]

If you haven't already heard, there will be more information released on 17 April, 2015 (51st Birthday).

Here are some topics I anticipate for this Birthday Celebration...

1.) Allocation Information. If they plan on building 5000+ GT350's and 500 R's, everyone that wants a 2016 (or '15, more on that in a minute) should have no issues acquiring one. If not, there is always next year and hopefully Grabber Blue.

2.) Weight Loss. I am sure that they have a more accurate number by now. Don't get excited... that doesn't mean they will discuss Curb Weights. I think the Curb is still a ways off. They will probably revisit the "More than 130lbs" comment and go into more detail on where the weight came from.

3.) MSRP. We heard that the GT350 was submitted in the beginning of April. He didn't say exactly when they submitted it only that it was. We had a Canadian rumor of $62,000 USD and that is strange they used USD and not the Queens bills.

I have heard a steady $52,995 target for the GT350 and I have also heard a $49,995. Both of these are exciting. I doubt the GT350 will be under $50k but few sources suggest that it was a target. We also heard that the GT350 will undercut the '13-'14 GT500's in base form. We got a few whispers on the Track Package being almost $5000 (Yikes!!!). Although, the MRC for Track Junkies and HPDE's will be worth it. If you are a casual Track guy, the GT350TP will be a great way to go. REMEMBER, the Track Pack and R will eliminate you from COMPETITIVE RACING. If you intend on competing in SCCA/NASA, please see your regional office ASAP. Let them know WHAT you are buying and help them gather the package equipment. I imagine there will be an amendment or something to that nature. DO THIS NOW so you don't have to push them come next Spring.

(If you have a question about the car or any of it's package equipment, ask away. Many on here have that info handy OR, could even be in your Region. I will try to contact SCCA and get a full Regional Listing for the SCCA. NASA is most times more lenient however, I anticipate that NASA will BAN the GT350R in TT. The Boss 302 Laguna Seca was banned before it entered. Again, ask you questions now so you don't spend major cash on a garage ornament like the z28.

The horsepower/torque and curb weight will probably be saved for the Camaro's release party. Hell, most of the above could too.. we don't know...

We heard it is at least 100hp per Liter and that is a good start. The strategic release of the GT350 will constantly hound the 6th Gen Camaro no matter where it falls on the scale or dyno. Chevy doesn't have a DOHC to pull off a proper FPC V8 so, they literally need to wait for the LT4 equipped Camaro. I have a feeling that Chevy will introduce that Camaro variant to try and steal the Mustang's thunder. Like it or not, if it is the GT350 vs. z28 next Gen, the z28 could be supercharged... Of course, this is exactly what Ford wants before the big 500 get here. It's good to see the cards... Typically, Ford destroys Chevy's morale by 1-UP'ing the Camaro the next day OR, literally as they unveil the car.

Here are some more prototypes caught a few days ago. The Black one is murder...

Now, some stuff I think they have in the chamber.

First, the mighty Nurburgring. As many have seen, rumors of a 7:32 have been circulating since Detroit. HorsepowerKings took a bad rap for reporting that number. They did in fact attend Detroit... they did get that number from a rep. There is another independent source that has yet to say a word publicly but does talk about it.

Then Voodoo got the same info in New York. I'm not sure if anyone knows him or not but, he is the f@ckn' man. I thought I was ripped shredded, Voodoo is like the Hulk. He makes me feel about the size of Tony Stark in comparison. Anyway, according to some show surfers, those numbers were injected into the conversation. Maybe just to see how far the rumor got and how fast... I don't know, I just know they talk about it.

Then, we have another leak stating the car is running sub-7:30 Ring runs. In all honesty, does it matter? It was a preproduction car, had a cage, could have had an independant tune, tire treatment or shaving... who knows... I sure the hell don't nor does anyone else. Why release a time if you can't have a 3rd Party validate the claim?

What we hear is that the GT350R is way out of z28 reality. This is doing things the Camaro won't be able to do until the LT4. The Camaro's real enemy is the GT350TP and the base GT350 Street Fighter. The GT350TP should be more in the z28's hopes and dreams. Nurburgring is under a lot of negative light right now after the death of a very talented driver. We may see the end of Industry Pools and Manufacturer Bookings.

Next, and probably most importantly, the US Track results!!! Yes, that's right ladies and gents, there are actually some very challenging road courses here in the USA. Ford may go though some of the GT350's achievements at these numerous locations. There are a select few tracks the z28 publicly tested at that Ford decided to not test at. However, some of the key tracks (like Laguna) will be used so benchracers can hammer the z28. Laguna was a huge target not just because the Boss 302 ran a 1:39 there.. the z28 also ran a 1:38 there. What did we hear? Ford systematically took apart the z28's media times. What else did we hear? We heard that the GT350TP will not traditionally be used in the upcoming media blast. Ford intends on sending in the Stage Pony and just put this thing, and it's entire generation, in the dirt.

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[Todd15Fastback]

That black R in the last few pictures looks INSANE...WOW.

 

[thePill]

That black R in the last few pictures looks INSANE...WOW.

Hey Todd,

Want entertained???

According to my Nurburgring Team DasPill, the mighty z28 did return to the Green Hell. This was sometime late September, early October while testing the 6th Gen. I looked for pics or spy pics but there is nothing with the z28, only the 6th Gen.

According to DasPill, the z28 failed to Ring out a 7:31. In fact, the z28 failed to achieve it's advertised 7:37 too. In another jab, they have it almost exactly where it was the first time. Slightly faster than the ZL1's advertised time of 7:41. What a joke... They tried to prep a big number for the Camaro's birthday and.... nothing... not even a Happy Birthday :(


If anyone can find a pic or video please post it up, I want to see the inside of the car if I can. The fast one was Race Red... I bet it had a full cage... Must... acquire... those pictures....


Sources say that Chevy/GM were on site while the GT350 did it's laps in the Summer. The z28 is not prepared...

 

[minjitta]

Hey Todd,

Want entertained???

According to my Nurburgring Team DasPill, the mighty z28 did return to the Green Hell. This was sometime late September, early October while testing the 6th Gen. I looked for pics or spy pics but there is nothing with the z28, only the 6th Gen.

According to DasPill, the z28 failed to Ring out a 7:31. In fact, the z28 failed to achieve it's advertised 7:37 too. In another jab, they have it almost exactly where it was the first time. Slightly faster than the ZL1's advertised time of 7:41. What a joke... They tried to prep a big number for the Camaro's birthday and.... nothing... not even a Happy Birthday :(


If anyone can find a pic or video please post it up, I want to see the inside of the car if I can. The fast one was Race Red... I bet it had a full cage... Must... acquire... those pictures....


Sources say that Chevy/GM were on site while the GT350 did it's laps in the Summer. The z28 is not prepared...

From your post seem like z28 bite the dusts, now start new threat on GT350 vs 911 or GTR

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