GT350 vs. Z/28

[FATTBoss]

Reading through the article posted over at C5, even the Ferrari engineers were claiming the Z was cheating using a special compound tire. I would yell and cry too if my 730 HP exotic machine was matched by an American muscle car.

With that said, I did not see mentioned that any GM engineers were present at the event, but Ferrari sends theirs?

The other interesting note was the BMW M3 or M4 running a 3:00 time. The Boss LS did a 3:02 at VIR, and if the LS was the target for the GT, then that looks good for the new Mustang packing BMW's lunch.

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[Gman11Gt]

The Z06 C7 is missing along with an SVT Mustang. It still is very impressive numbers that the C7 laid down along with the Viper.

I think the SVT Mustang should be targeting the M4 and at least get close to Stingray performance, maybe outdoing it in a straight line roll quarter mile.

 

[w3rkn]

Z/28 runs 2:50.9 at VIR for C&D's Lightning Lap. The gauntlet has been thrown. Will the GT350 deliver?

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=376054

Look at the data.. the low max speed illustrates the Z is nearly 100% about it's handling and tire choice. Throwing a massive engine at the problem didn't hurt either.


Look at the Z28's power to weight ratio 7:1
Now imagine the s550 @ 8:1 weight to power.. , now picture the BOSS with a wider track, better balance and fat rubber all the way around.

For $37k?


I am thinking 3:05 lap time for a s550 Mustang GT PP.. & the GT350 @ 2:58 lap time. (?)

 

[FATTBoss]

I don't know w3rkn, with the new M4 running a 3:00.7 and the old Boss 302LS running a 3:02 when it went to VIR, I think the new GT PP will match if not better the M4's time.

The M4 was over 4 seconds quicker than the last gen M3. The Mustang team stated they targeted the Boss LS for the GT PP, so that would lead me to believe they can better the Boss time.

As to the GT350, so little is known that I hesitate to speculate a time. How much power will it have? Is it a flat plane crank? What tires will it get? Will there be a split similar to the "regular" Boss 302 and the LS? Will it have carbon brakes or steel? Will it be lighter than a GT or heavier? I see the car in the 2:50 range, but that range is 2:50.0 to 2:59.9. If it does run quicker than the Z, I may change my tune about buying one.

 

[DivineStrike]

So I think I know why all the Camaro fanboy's over at camaro 5 continue to cheer-lead for the z28 when it comes to this continental series. It's because of statements like this:

"""""Quote:
Originally Posted by Sven59
By the way the Z28 that leads the Continental, it is detuned, debraked and detired."""""""




Whaaahhttt???

How can the Z/28.R be worth a damn thing without those tires?!? Everyone knows they're the real "secret sauce" behind the car's performance...

I think the only true thing is it was debraked. I haven't found anything about it being "detune". And detired? can anyone explain this? From what i can tell it still runs massive 305's, they're just not MPSC tires. Granted I don't follow racing much but seems like fanboism to me.

 

[Pablo GT350]

So I think I know why all the Camaro fanboy's over at camaro 5 continue to cheer-lead for the z28. It's because of statements like this:

Yea I about puked when I read that. Obviously no clue about how the series is balancing the performance of all the makes, and how they are giving camaro the advantage (for now). Wonder how they like getting beat by a Kia in Pirelli World Challenge?

 

[Pablo GT350]

I don't know w3rkn, with the new M4 running a 3:00.7 and the old Boss 302LS running a 3:02 when it went to VIR, I think the new GT PP will match if not better the M4's time.

The M4 was over 4 seconds quicker than the last gen M3. The Mustang team stated they targeted the Boss LS for the GT PP, so that would lead me to believe they can better the Boss time.

As to the GT350, so little is known that I hesitate to speculate a time. How much power will it have? Is it a flat plane crank? What tires will it get? Will there be a split similar to the "regular" Boss 302 and the LS? Will it have carbon brakes or steel? Will it be lighter than a GT or heavier? I see the car in the 2:50 range, but that range is 2:50.0 to 2:59.9. If it does run quicker than the Z, I may change my tune about buying one.

I'm with you fattboss. The new GT should be right with the new M4 time. Similar hp and torque, same width tires front and back.

I wish Ford would offer a "1LE" package for the GT to get more tire on the front.

 

[ChefBorOzzy]

I'm with you fattboss. The new GT should be right with the new M4 time. Similar hp and torque, same width tires front and back.

I wish Ford would offer a "1LE" package for the GT to get more tire on the front.

Maybe Ford should have given the PP wider tires.

 

[DivineStrike]

Maybe Ford should have given the PP wider tires.

Agreed!!!!!!!!!!!! Put 275's on all four feet and beat the 1LE with LESS tire

 

[FATTBoss]

Divine, the standard tire for most of the cars in the series is a 285 18, not sure of sidewall. You are correct in that the car gets a lot of breaks in the series. It is I believe 3,550 pounds, and makes about 470 hp, more than other cars in the series. It is believed that the max HP for the GS class was 405 or so before GM brought the 7.0L monster to the series.

The series seems to favor one marque or another each season. The Porsche teams were super competitive and always setting fastest lap whether they won or not, despite attempts to level the field.

We should not forget however that the prior to the Boss, the Mustang teams were allowed an engine that shared little with its street counterpart. The only street Mustang s-197 that had a 5.0L engine prior to the '11 model were the Parnelli Saleen Mustangs.

 

[DivineStrike]

Divine, the standard tire for most of the cars in the series is a 285 18, not sure of sidewall. You are correct in that the car gets a lot of breaks in the series. It is I believe 3,550 pounds, and makes about 470 hp, more than other cars in the series. It is believed that the max HP for the GS class was 405 or so before GM brought the 7.0L monster to the series.

The series seems to favor one marque or another each season. The Porsche teams were super competitive and always setting fastest lap whether they won or not, despite attempts to level the field.

We should not forget however that the prior to the Boss, the Mustang teams were allowed an engine that shared little with its street counterpart. The only street Mustang s-197 that had a 5.0L engine prior to the '11 model were the Parnelli Saleen Mustangs.

Where is it that we can find the info for the power output on the z28r? I just haven't seen anywhere that they detuned it is all. Still 30hp on the engine isn't much.

 

[w3rkn]

I don't know w3rkn, with the new M4 running a 3:00.7 and the old Boss 302LS running a 3:02 when it went to VIR, I think the new GT PP will match if not better the M4's time.

The M4 was over 4 seconds quicker than the last gen M3. The Mustang team stated they targeted the Boss LS for the GT PP, so that would lead me to believe they can better the Boss time.

As to the GT350, so little is known that I hesitate to speculate a time. How much power will it have? Is it a flat plane crank? What tires will it get? Will there be a split similar to the "regular" Boss 302 and the LS? Will it have carbon brakes or steel? Will it be lighter than a GT or heavier? I see the car in the 2:50 range, but that range is 2:50.0 to 2:59.9. If it does run quicker than the Z, I may change my tune about buying one.

The track was resurfaced, previous times no longer comparable.

I was being conservative with the Mustang's suggested 3:05 time. We still don't know how the suspension handles, or how it compared to the M4. But do remember the Boss LS is another animal all together and not what the new GT was being compared too, that was simply the 302 boss.

Honestly, I doubt the $37k Mustang w/PP will best the $75k M4 @ 3:00. But then again.. nobody will complain if it comes close... I am sure the new Mustang GT will beat the $44k BMW M235i, though..


Lastly, I don't know why you think the GT350 needs to beat the Z28.. very odd, given the fact there is a $25,000 difference in price. Perhaps you mean the GT350s, or GT350r ..?

 

[Grimace427]

The only street Mustang s-197 that had a 5.0L engine prior to the '11 model were the Parnelli Saleen Mustangs.

The PJ Saleen had a punched out 4.6 3V, not the Coyote.

 

[FATTBoss]

The PJ Saleen had a punched out 4.6 3V, not the Coyote.

I did not say it was a coyote, just that it was a 5.0L. I am well aware it was not a coyote 5.0L, and neither was the 5.0L in the 500 race cars that competed in the GS class.

 

[FATTBoss]

The track was resurfaced, previous times no longer comparable.

I was being conservative with the Mustang's suggested 3:05 time. We still don't know how the suspension handles, or how it compared to the M4. But do remember the Boss LS is another animal all together and not what the new GT was being compared too, that was simply the 302 boss.

Honestly, I doubt the $37k Mustang w/PP will best the $75k M4 @ 3:00. But then again.. nobody will complain if it comes close... I am sure the new Mustang GT will beat the $44k BMW M235i, though..


Lastly, I don't know why you think the GT350 needs to beat the Z28.. very odd, given the fact there is a $25,000 difference in price. Perhaps you mean the GT350s, or GT350r ..?

The track being resurfaced and certain areas widened will indeed reflect on lap times, I agree 100%. Especially the old Oak Tree turn. I last ran there in January of 2012 before the tree fell and the exit was widened. At that time I could hit 150 down the back straight, whereas the LL makes a hard right halfway up the back straight at "Bitch". I haven't run that version of the course since about '09. You will get a better run out of Oak tree now, and who knows other than those who have had a chance to drive it if grip is improved on the rest of the course.

I think C&D should have stated that the course was different so old lap times may not be directly comparable. However, I do not think the Boss LS is that much different than a "regular" Boss 302. I have driven both on my home track and when I made my purchase, I could not justify an extra $5,000.00 for the LS. So just targeting the Boss 302 and exceeding it, makes me believe the new car will be quicker on nearly any road course. Better suspension, more torque and only slightly less HP I think will best the Boss.

And no one knows if the GT350 will be less than a Z/28. My bet is it will be $70k.

Ans lastly, the name of the thread is "GT350 vs Z/28". That right there should tell you why the new Ford needs to beat the old Chevy.

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