GT350 vs. Z/28

[Trackaholic]

I haven't received an email back yet as to what I can comment on.

Better check again. Maybe there's a reply in your inbox telling you to spill the beans!

-T

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[Trackaholic]

perhaps Ford give up ?
Challenger and the Charger are available with over 700hp stock !
Camaro is still available with V8 supercharged manual and ! automatic and the new will be even more powerfull i´m sure !
Corvette Z06 is V8 supercharged.

I mean, hey Ford you have a nice V8 supercharged engine with 665hp on stock !
Why the hell you did´nt put in this new 2015 ???
NA engines for europe are nearly impossible to sell for sportscars because of extreme fuel costs. You sell us a shit 4banger turbo because of our fuel prices but on the high end engines you fail with a NA V8 ??? the efficiency of a forced inducted engine is much better and torque rises extreme. I think it´s much better to put on a nice US supercharger instead a shit direct injecting NA engine with black debris inlet valves after 20000km !!

What about the Trinity engine now ?? is it dead ??? cant believe it.

In addition to the weight concerns, and throttle concerns, there's also things like heat soak to consider. I understand Ford did a commendable job in the GT500 to eliminate it as a significant issue, but N/A can still be better.

Finally, if you are concerned about economy, adding a supercharger to a V8 isn't going to give you better economy than that same V8 without the S/C.

Personally, I'd rather have the N/A V8 myself.

With that said, I expect a S/C'd GT500-like vehicle to appear in a couple years.

-T

 

[w3rkn]

In addition to the weight concerns, and throttle concerns, there's also things like heat soak to consider. I understand Ford did a commendable job in the GT500 to eliminate it as a significant issue, but N/A can still be better.

Finally, if you are concerned about economy, adding a supercharger to a V8 isn't going to give you better economy than that same V8 without the S/C.

Personally, I'd rather have the N/A V8 myself.

With that said, I expect a S/C'd GT500-like vehicle to appear in a couple years.

-T

I think Fords got it covered.
Cooling..? I think there is a lot of focus & engineering that went into front cross-section. I think aftermarket, or Ford "Performance" catalogue will have beefier cooling systems for those who track on the weekends, etc. Look at the engine pics. Looks well designed for efficiency.



Secondly, a well built s/c engine will yield efficiencies, jut never as high as a turbo design. But there are economic benefits to having a s/c designed for economics. ( & also if the tranny makes proper use of the tq, etc.)

Coincidentally, I think a well built, all forged internal 4.0 fpc DFI v8, w/2.9l SC, @ 535ft-lbs & 32mpg w/9spd... is a viable future for Ford's SVT. Possibly under the GT500(r) nametag..?



Lastly, after seeing the new EB 2.7 v6 in Ford's truck line-up, I think the v6 EB in the s550 will drown out the competition when it arrives in MY2017/18... I think Ford's SVT v6 EB will go toe-to-toe with BMW's inline-6 N55 & derivatives, & have less nannies. Pulling much more upscale buyer than the Camaro. Having much greater sales.

I think they are not in any hurry, until their co-developed tranny, is finished. Then match it up with hi-tq EB engines...!

Additionally, how will the FPC translate once/if they go DFI..? How will hi-po turbos come into play..? A 2.9l v6 with super, or EB would be awesome..!




There is a lot of interesting Ford engines, what is up with GM's arsenal ..?

 

[DivineStrike]

I think it´s much better to put on a nice US supercharger instead a shit direct injecting NA engine with black debris inlet valves after 20000km !!

The 5.0 isn't direct injected, so no carbon buildup on the intake valves as you suggest.

Also, in what world do you live in that adding FI increases efficiency? lol Yes, reducing displacement and adding FI can help with efficiency but simply adding FI to an existing engine will not increase efficiency. You would be lucky for it to stay the same.

 

[Twin Turbo]

The new automatic transmission in Mustang's future is a 10-speed, not a 9-speed. 9 is for FWD application, 10 is for RWD.

That being said, I'd like to see either 2.7 or 3.5 Ecoboosts in Mustang's future.........so long as a V8 always remains an option.

 

[DivineStrike]

I think if they add/keep a 3rd engine to the Mustang line-up, it will be the 2.7 EB.

 

[Trackaholic]

Secondly, a well built s/c engine will yield efficiencies, jut never as high as a turbo design. But there are economic benefits to having a s/c designed for economics. ( & also if the tranny makes proper use of the tq, etc.)

Coincidentally, I think a well built, all forged internal 4.0 fpc DFI v8, w/2.9l SC, @ 535ft-lbs & 32mpg w/9spd... is a viable future for Ford's SVT. Possibly under the GT500(r) nametag..?

Good point. I was thinking along the lines of putting a S/C on the current engine. But you are correct that a downsized V8 with an S/C could be a good solution. Making the engine smaller would offset the added weight of the S/C while maintaining/improving power.

Audi certainly has a gem in their 3.0 with the S/C.

-T

 

[langweiler]

The 5.0 isn't direct injected, so no carbon buildup on the intake valves as you suggest.

Also, in what world do you live in that adding FI increases efficiency? lol Yes, reducing displacement and adding FI can help with efficiency but simply adding FI to an existing engine will not increase efficiency. You would be lucky for it to stay the same.

oh come on, i know the coyote well enough. i was thinking about the future coyote with DFI or these shit ecoboost engines which i have seen with coal inlet valves.
And i know and drove some FI engines like the 1,8ltr AUDI Turbo (185hp) or Mercedes 1.8 supercharged. They all were very efficient than it NA counterparts...it must have be a reason why most of our cars in europe are with FI now !

I dont like V6´s at all....no special reason for that but dont like them.

a 4with turbo is ok and than there has to be V8 with a supercharger on it !
Why ??? Because it´s a true US thing. But perhaps Ford give up their icon to be equal with all international carmakers....boring.
Challenger, Charger,Corvette,Viper are still icons, i hope camaro will stay different to. They all have oldfashioned engines with no VVT or OHC at all.
The coyote is modern and seems ruggy enough for a nice supercharger from Ford with good hp,torque and still better mpg than all the competition mentioned above ! Why the hell the customers always have to go through a aftermarked solution ???

Dont let your V8´s down !!!!
Give them a chance with a relative cheap to install supercharged version !!!

 

[FATTBoss]

Z/28 runs 2:50.9 at VIR for C&D's Lightning Lap. The gauntlet has been thrown. Will the GT350 deliver?

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=376054

 

[Trackaholic]

Pretty amazing time from both the Z/28 and C7 Vette. It sounded like they were still improving the C7's times as well...when the engine blew. Sad to hear about that.

The time of the M3 does seem to leave room for the Mustang to be competitive with it.

Motor Trend should be coming out with their Best Driver's Car article pretty soon as well. I think that should also have the C7, M3, and Z/28 in it. Should be pretty interesting as well.

-T

 

[DivineStrike]

oh come on, i know the coyote well enough. i was thinking about the future coyote with DFI or these shit ecoboost engines which i have seen with coal inlet valves.
And i know and drove some FI engines like the 1,8ltr AUDI Turbo (185hp) or Mercedes 1.8 supercharged. They all were very efficient than it NA counterparts...it must have be a reason why most of our cars in europe are with FI now !

I dont like V6´s at all....no special reason for that but dont like them.

a 4with turbo is ok and than there has to be V8 with a supercharger on it !
Why ??? Because it´s a true US thing. But perhaps Ford give up their icon to be equal with all international carmakers....boring.
Challenger, Charger,Corvette,Viper are still icons, i hope camaro will stay different to. They all have oldfashioned engines with no VVT or OHC at all.
The coyote is modern and seems ruggy enough for a nice supercharger from Ford with good hp,torque and still better mpg than all the competition mentioned above ! Why the hell the customers always have to go through a aftermarked solution ???

Dont let your V8´s down !!!!
Give them a chance with a relative cheap to install supercharged version !!!

Most cars in Europe are getting FI to replace their Higher Displacement counterparts, the same as everywhere else in the world. So they can keep getting good efficiency, while also making the same power. FI only makes a car more efficient when comparing it to a larger NA motor. If you have a 1.8 NA motor and a 1.8 FI motor on the same car. The NA motor will be more efficient. The same reason the Audi S5 went from a 4.2l V8 to a 3.0 SC V6. To improve efficiency.

And the I repeat, the Coyote doesn't have DI and there is no talk of it getting it yet. It is just assumed that it will. It could be replaced by then. You can't comment on a future model you know nothing about. Seems you barely know what makes a car more efficient. Also, there are far more European engines with direct injection than american car's. And most of the EB engines have less than their German counterpart engines. It isn't until recently manufacturers started going to a dual injection system which has both DI and port injection to clean the valves and help with better power delivery at the lower end. Hopefully everyone catches on soon.

 

[thePill]

Pretty amazing time from both the Z/28 and C7 Vette. It sounded like they were still improving the C7's times as well...when the engine blew. Sad to hear about that.

The time of the M3 does seem to leave room for the Mustang to be competitive with it.

Motor Trend should be coming out with their Best Driver's Car article pretty soon as well. I think that should also have the C7, M3, and Z/28 in it. Should be pretty interesting as well.

-T

Its more than likely a Ringer. There is no way Ford can compete with a company willing to do anything to look good in a magazine.

If it wasn't for Chevy's love of cheating, id be impressed. The ZL1 had an awesome LL time, however, once in the wild, they can't even get close.

According to C&D, the the 3900lbs, 500hp z28 is just as fast as the 3400lbs, 630hp ZR1.

Yeah...

 

[mustangletback]

Its more than likely a Ringer. There is no way Ford can compete with a company willing to do anything to look good in a magazine.

If it wasn't for Chevy's love of cheating, id be impressed. The ZL1 had an awesome LL time, however, once in the wild, they can't even get close.

According to C&D, the the 3900lbs, 500hp z28 is just as fast as the 3400lbs, 630hp ZR1.

Yeah...

Yea, that's what I have said since the start. The z28,they use is a Ringer car. How in the hell is the z28, just as fast as the zr1, vette? Basically, they are telling people, we used a Ringer car, the z28, is just as fast basically, while it weighs hundreds of pounds more.that's the type of crap, that comes from a Garbage Motor Company

 

[Pablo GT350]

I think the Pill is in denial. Time to face facts. The Z/28 is one fast mofo.

 

[Fenderaddict2]

I agree, the Z/28 is fast. But I see where the Pill's venom is coming from, GM uses their size and influence to get away with far too much. I like a few of their cars, respect the engineers but am not a fan of the company and how it's run. As for the Forced Induction topic, I personally want the highest performing NA engine Ford car offer. I'll be happy with that, and leaving turbos or supercharged options for others.

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