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Let's be honest, the Z/28 is a freakin' impressive car. The new Mustang needs to beat it because the new lighter Alpha platform is coming to Camaro and if the Z/28 is a jumping off point, Ford fans might be in trouble. I'm rooting for Ford, but am finally, and seriously impressed by GM.
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I agree with ThePill on the GTR/GT3/Z28 lap times - something seems fishy. If the Z28 is beating the GTR then it should also be beating the C6 Z06. Perhaps it does, and if it can then wow... But something just doesn't seem right... I don't think the Z28 has enough "goodies" on it to close the 600lb gap between it and the C6 Z06.
 

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The 2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 Doesn't Cost Enough

It’s Worth Far More Than Its $75,000 Sticker

Read more: http://blogs.motortrend.com/1403_the_2014_chevrolet_camaro_z28_doesnt_cost_enough.html#ixzz2x7vxXbZX
Not sure what's more funny the title of that article or its contents. Their reasoning is poor, you can't point to particular parts on the Z28 then point to other more expensive vehicles and argue what they're arguing. At the end of the day its a Camaro on the zeta platform, not an Audi, not a Porsche, not an Aston Martin, not an AMG, just a Camaro.

Bang for Buck its great, not the best but one of the best in that price range. But it shouldn't cost more than that, and its stupid to argue otherwise. Unless Chevy is losing money for each Z28 being sold (and they're not) its not under priced.
 

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I have to admit that I'm impressed with the Z/28, especially after watching the Motor Trend video today. However, I'm curious to see what the GT with Track Pack can do. I would be surprised if it wasn't nipping at heels of Z/28 pretty closely in stock trim for a whole lot less money.
 

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If the Boss 302 and the adoring press it generated pissed Oppenheiser off enough to create the ZL1, the ILE and the Z/28, let's hope the new GT350 really upsets him.
 

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Hoping the new Mustangs are far enough ahead to offset the upcoming Alpha platformed Camaros. With the Z/28 tech and a better platform, Ford fans might be the ones who should worry. I hope not, I like the Camaro but I can't help but root for the original; Mustang.
 

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Well they finally have something to brag about. Took a while...
To an extent, yes. But trash like the above motor trend article keeps popping up with regards to the Camaro over the past few years. If magazines have taught me anything is that they're on tight budgets and will gladly be sell out hype men. Not saying motor trend is here, but I find a hard time believing stuff like that above article comes from educated and unbiased writers...

Edit: also the vets, for the most part, have been worthy of a lot of bragging. Especially the 6th and 7th generations.
 

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It's interesting that all these reviews are comparing the z28 to a gt-r. I think it would have been sweet if someone had brought a c7 vette as a comparison. It probably would have been slower on the track due to having normal tires, but I would be very interested in comparing the fun to drive aspect.

These reviews do really show how well GM can do when they bother trying. I still think I'd prefer the 1LE, but I'm not as sure as I was a week ago. Hopefully Ford will invest as much thought into the gt350 as GM did into the z28. Great time to be an enthusiast.

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The 2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 Doesn't Cost Enough

It’s Worth Far More Than Its $75,000 Sticker
$80,000 is too much, 4000lbs is too heavy and too many changes need to be done for racing.

I would be more interested if it was $60-65,000. I can spend that much money, still needing to make major changes to race. I don't even want to get into how much weight reduction I would need.

I'll take a 2015 GT... maybe change the tires and fluids...

Let's hope this mere $77,000 won't be recouped later on. The Corvette needed a price increase on the 2nd MY. That is a Chevy tactic...

Advertise at a super low price, limit production or a late release, Jack price up between MY. This is done for the initial press... Then the price and production goes up and performance goes down.

Are we not exploring WHY a Porsche GT3 and Nissan GT-R ran nearly 2 seconds off the pace? There is a 911 that has a class/track record there...

Do you know what he ran? A 1:31....

I think Z06 guys have been swapping out their CC for steel rotors for years...
Unfortunately, removal of Carbon Ceramic Brakes is manditory. Another change inbound will likely be No disc over 380mm. That means the z28's brakes need swapped out anyway. The 305 tire was a no-no up front, I think it still is... z28 wheels/tires may need to be swapped out later on. A z28 isn't a z28 without that equipment.

No thanks, pre-race inspections are a bitch now. If you do manage to class a z28, it needs 300lbs taken out of it. I have no idea what that 300lbs involves but, I have a feeling, the exterior panels need to be Carbon fiber like the Riley and Pratt cars. I just can't afford that on my season budget.

The z28 is fast, it's just the most piss poor choice for racing. The equipment choice was piss poor but required to make a 5th gen competitive. The platform is far too heavy, any class it's waive red into needs a minimum of 300lbs taken out. Nah!!! For $80,000... I could have a dedicated GT and an EB for my wife... Still have $15,000 for tires and a down payment on a z28 if I really needed one.
 

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There is a 911 that has a class/track record there...

Do you know what he ran? A 1:31....

Details? Type of 911? Class, mods, etc.?


I would be more interested if it was $60-65,000. I can spend that much money, still needing to make major changes to race. I don't even want to get into how much weight reduction I would need.

I'll take a 2015 GT... maybe change the tires and fluids...

No thanks, pre-race inspections are a bitch now. If you do manage to class a z28, it needs 300lbs taken out of it. I have no idea what that 300lbs involves but, I have a feeling, the exterior panels need to be Carbon fiber like the Riley and Pratt cars. I just can't afford that on my season budget.

So you’re planning to go racing? Great! HPDE (not really racing), time trialing, or real W2W racing? What organization and class are you planning to run?

I look forward to hearing about your experiences, especially if you’re planning to use a stock 2015 GT and only change the tires and fluid. That will work great for HPDE to get some experience under your belt, but be prepared for a rude awakening if you step up to competition.
 
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The guys want T2, I'd rather race with Mazda this year. It is far cheaper and at my age, I can handle those speeds easy. We are trying to race every possible class this year, both TT and curcuit.

I'm going to be honest, at the Am level, I wouldn't take a 5th Camaro over anything.

Sounds like butthurt... It's too heavy, too expensive and just too hard to get it into racing. Even considering a 4000lbs vehicle for racing show just how much you don't know. $80,000 is PRO money and we are not PRO. The Camaro pretends to be PRO but, as I said, too many changes need to be made at that price.

Of course, no one is forcing you to buy a z28. It's just a good thing to know what your getting into before you buy one. People do have aspirations to race, especially when the car is advertised as such...

... It's very low class to cast a false image of a car just to sell it... It's even lower still not being truthful, and convincing poor consumers like you two knuckleheads that this is a good deal...

It is NOT an good deal for a competitive car... It is fast, but it really can't be used as they intend. I'm sure you guys are very excited, I would just rather progress passed the HPDE events in my. $80,000 Camaro someday. I'm sure you know this but, playing with yourself gets old after awhile.

Maybe next season or next generation.... With the Z06 kinda backing out, Chevy just might not care about competitive Motorsports anymore... It's a thought...

(As for the Rules, SCCA may have changed them this month. I posted the rules on the other thread, not disc over 355, waivered to 380 and ALL brakes must be ferrous...

IF YOU ARE UNAWARE THAT BRAKES MUST BE CAST IRON OR STEEL, you probably shouldn't be commenting. It has been against the rules since... FOREVER. Sorry, until that changes, the z28 will need changes...
 
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