GT350 vs Hellcat: different class or competitors?

[roush_s550]

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GT350 is not a fair competitor IMO w/Hellcat. But throw a Roush phase1 tuned TVS blower on an s550 and roll off on hellcats like they are sitting still!

Next week i am having phase2 installed, so i don't even think the kittys are near my class anymore!! :first:

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[thatdude989]

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Awesome points, but I wonder if Hellcat's track ability potentially understated, especially if a different set of tires are put on it?

Even if it is PRIMARILY a straight line car (sustained speed of 192mph on an open road), the stats also seem to say that it's capable of holding its own on a track.

Setting emotion aside, 7:51 on the Nürburgring is not too sloppy...that's stock...

i'll say this i wouldn't try to use as a track car

 

[thatdude989]

GT350 is not a fair competitor IMO w/Hellcat. But throw a Roush phase1 tuned TVS blower on an s550 and roll off on hellcats like they are sitting still!

Next week i am having phase2 installed, so i don't even think the kittys are near my class anymore!! :first:

Damn good runs look the video of a Red Stock GT500 VS a Stock Green Hellcat the GT500 beat him from a roll and dig then the Hellcat broke down look it up on IG under SVT_Nation

 

[Taneras]

It is meant to do anything I make it do.

So my bicycle is meant for the drag strip just because I can physically make it go down the strip?

A GT350 could be driven into a lake, but that doesn't mean that that's what Ford intended you to use it for.

Clearly, Ford meant this to be a track car. Yes you can drag race in it, and it does quite well. But that doesn't change the fact that this car was designed primarily to be driven around a track.

 

[Chameleon]

Omg I'm deleting my account from this forum. Everyone here likes to argue. Later.

They all say that and come back.

 

[Caballus]

So my bicycle is meant for the drag strip just because I can physically make it go down the strip?

A GT350 could be driven into a lake, but that doesn't mean that that's what Ford intended you to use it for.

Clearly, Ford meant this to be a track car. Yes you can drag race in it, and it does quite well. But that doesn't change the fact that this car was designed primarily to be driven around a track.

Awesome analogies. Question though. The GT350 is advertised as a track car, to include having a track package available. Dodge just advertises the Hellcat as a "muscle car." The suspension is made to handle track time, and on their website when you hit comparisons for the Challenger HC, the ZL1 and GT350 come up. For the Charger, they bring up the M5. Not agreeing or disagreeing, just observing that Dodge seems to present the HC as a multi-role car, rather than just a track or drag vehicle. Stats seem to support both too...

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Awesome analogies. Question though. The GT350 is advertised as a track car, to include having a track package available. Dodge just advertises the Hellcat as a "muscle car." The suspension is made to handle track time, and on their website when you hit comparisons for the Challenger HC, the ZL1 and GT350 come up. For the Charger, they bring up the M5. Not agreeing or disagreeing, just observing that Dodge seems to present the HC as a multi-role car, rather than just a track or drag vehicle. Stats seem to support both too...

If you were Dodge. Wouldn't you try to sell the Hellcat as a track car instead of a one trick pony Go fast in a straight line car? The Performance pack GT will beat a hellcat around a track. So Dodge is being incredibly optimistic about competing with a GT350 at a track. Maybe they are just using the ZL1 and GT350 because they are both American pony cars and similarly priced?

 

[Taneras]

Awesome analogies. Question though. The GT350 is advertised as a track car, to include having a track package available. Dodge just advertises the Hellcat as a "muscle car." The suspension is made to handle track time, and on their website when you hit comparisons for the Challenger HC, the ZL1 and GT350 come up. For the Charger, they bring up the M5. Not agreeing or disagreeing, just observing that Dodge seems to present the HC as a multi-role car, rather than just a track or drag vehicle. Stats seem to support both too...

I'm not arguing that a car can't preform well enough in areas outside of its obvious intended role and to some extend be considered a multi-purpose vehicle, just that the designs of some sports cars show a distribution of resources that would suggest the automaker was focusing primarily on one specific role. The GT350 does very well at the drag strip but considering the amount of resources Ford has spent on the GT350 that are aimed at a track application its clear the primary intended purpose for the vehicle is to be a track car and not a drag strip car.

My comment wasn't suggesting that the GT350 is a bad drag strip car, that it shouldn't be driven at the drag strip, or it shouldn't be modified with the drag strip in mind (like a supercharger). It was only poking a bit of fun at the idea that an item is designed to do anything you choose to use it for. That's just silly.

The GT350 can be a drag strip car, but that's not its primary role looking at all the equipment on it that's meant for the track. I'm not knocking any GT350 owners who take their cars to the strip, if I could afford one I'd have bought it instead of my GT and would bring it to the drag strip often. However, it is designed for the track and if you wanted a drag strip car buying a GT and using the 10k+ you saved for parts would have been a much better investment if your focus was having a drag strip car.

As far as Dodge's marketing department goes. Toyota just aired a Superbowl commercial about how the new 2016 Prius was surprisingly fast and was giving cop cars a run for their money. MotorTrend clocked its 0-60 at 9.7 seconds and its 1/4 mile well into the 17's. I usually ignore marketing and advertisements.

 

[Caballus]

If you were Dodge. Wouldn't you try to sell the Hellcat as a track car instead of a one trick pony Go fast in a straight line car? The Performance pack GT will beat a hellcat around a track. So Dodge is being incredibly optimistic about competing with a GT350 at a track. Maybe they are just using the ZL1 and GT350 because they are both American pony cars and similarly priced?

Yeah, good point on Dodge's sales pitch, although it seems it's not having the desired effect...lol

 

[Caballus]

Toyota just aired a Superbowl commercial about how the new 2016 Prius was surprisingly fast and was giving cop cars a run for their money. MotorTrend clocked its 0-60 at 9.7 seconds and its 1/4 mile well into the 17's. I usually ignore marketing and advertisements.

Unfortunately, although we get to watch the Super Bowl, Armed Forces Network (AFN) is not allowed to show real commercials, so I just youtubed it. That commercial is hilarious! 90 second SB commercial...could buy a fleet of GT350s for that price!

I watched a few times and I cracked up at,

- Dispatcher: "How hard is it to catch a Prius, over?"
- Cop: "This thing is actually pretty fast, over."
- Dispatcher: "Very funny."
Not sure Toyota was bragging or even serious about Prius's road and track prowess...just sayin'

I imagine whoever at MT clocked it was pretty bored, unless they took time to eat lunch during the event. Gotta say my favorite 0-60 comment was in an MT article a while back on the 9/11: "That one will reportedly accelerate from 0-60 mph in 2.9 seconds, which is quicker than it took you to read this sentence." I actually pasted it on a computer sticky and still laugh at it sometimes.

So, all good points until you got to the Prius speed thing. No problem though, as I'm now distracted. Gonna youtube all this year's SB commercials. Thanks for the reminder!

 

[icormba]

If you were Dodge. Wouldn't you try to sell the Hellcat as a track car instead of a one trick pony Go fast in a straight line car? The Performance pack GT will beat a hellcat around a track. So Dodge is being incredibly optimistic about competing with a GT350 at a track. Maybe they are just using the ZL1 and GT350 because they are both American pony cars and similarly priced?

Dodge already has a track car... the Viper. I'm thinking they are using the price point, you mention, as being similar.

 

[Caballus]

Dodge already has a track car... the Viper. I'm thinking they are using the price point, you mention, as being similar.

Would that be different from Ford already having the GT?

 

[icormba]

Would that be different from Ford already having the GT?

That's not out yet.

 

[Blk2015GT]

GT350 is not a fair competitor IMO w/Hellcat. But throw a Roush phase1 tuned TVS blower on an s550 and roll off on hellcats like they are sitting still!

Next week i am having phase2 installed, so i don't even think the kittys are near my class anymore!! :first:

Not shocked.

670hp on about 3800-3850 Mustang GT w/TVS blower
707hp on about 4450 (4575 Charger) Challenger Hellcat

600-650 pounds of weight is a lot for 37hp to overcome. And cost, even a dealer installed Roush Phase 1 and the cost will run you $43-50k range(figure $10k installed for the blower), the Hellcat STARTS at $62,500

 

[Caballus]

That's not out yet.

True, so is the intent for the GT350 to be a place holder until the GT comes out or is it a lesser track alternative that also makes a good DD?

Likewise with the HC? Lesser, but more well-rounded option for those who like the Viper?

So far, the thread seems to repeatedly ignore the performance stats on the HC-

-7:51 on Nordschleife and 1+g consistently on the skid pad, along with being able to maintain close to 200mph on the Autobahn. Yet the conversation continues to return to "yeah, but it's not a good track car. It's only good in a straight line. It weighs too much..."

-7:51 on the Nürburgring and 1+g on the skidpad...depending on who is behind the wheel (and which unofficial 350 stats one buys), that's in the ballpark with the GT350, GT500, and Z/28...just talking stats, not emotion... 7:51 and 1+g...

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