GT350 track pack vs. tech pack, upgrade path etc

[Grimace427]

Looks like you are of the opinion that magnaride will not be beneficial on a road course. I thought magnaride was all about getting better handling.
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Never said anything to that effect. Magnaride is superior to a street setup on a racetrack, but inferior to a dedicated track setup on a racetrack. Magnaride is more versatile than either a street setup or track setup.

Do you think the track pack coolers are really needed for HPDE events where you are only on track 20 minutes at a time?

I don't think they are needed per se, but probably helpful. People track regular GT's that don't have any coolers at all. You could always add what you need later.

I'm probably not as knowledgeable as Grimace is when it comes to magnaride technology, but I think the main appeal is being able to have the option to have a tame street ride on the day to day basis and then turn it up a notch when you want to go to the track. I'm not sure but maybe Magnaride is marginally better in track use but it is also expensive for someone who only really cares for track performance. I am sure Grimace will elaborate...

If I were in the market for a GT350 I would also like to opt out of Magneride for the cost and have a trackpack lite option with the coolers. Same goes for the R package.

I'm not an expert on the subject but I agree with this based on owner feedback and also what manufacturers are doing. Magnaride is more common on grand touring models whereas track beasts don't seem to have them.

Magnaride will do wonders on the race track if set properly. Much better than regular coilovers.....

Too ambiguous a statement to have any merit. What is a regular coilover? I think a double adjustable setup from KW, Moton, or MCS would prove superior to Magnaride on a racetrack given the amount of end-user adjustability. Definitely setups from Penske or other high-end setups would eat Magnaride alive on a racetrack. On the street however Magnaride would be the obvious choice.

I think I disagree with that. See Camaro Z/28.

This. If Magnaride was the superior track setup the Z28 would not be running the Multimatic DSSV dampers.

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[Hack]

Sooo u want me to list of all the things it has over a base GT? Yes I know it's more than just an engine transmission and styling. Instead of being an ass and laughing or telling me to read the specs how about a simple "it's worth it because..."? I mean that would make your post useful and helpful.

I've been set on the track pack but want to know if he base car would be with considering. Using it as a DD I feel magnaride would be best, but a 6500 savings isn't too shabby either.

Personally I feel this is a decision you have to make for yourself. Really we all do. I'm also torn between the base and adding the track option. I would love to have pricing from Ford as I really can't make the call without that info.

There is a chance that the Voodoo engine or something similar will migrate down to the GT at some point. Maybe even magneride will become inexpensive and readily available. Now if there's a gas guzzler tax on the Voodoo that makes it in my opinion less likely to migrate to the GT.

Will there be other flat plane crank V8s made in the future? If this goes well for Ford, it's possible. Will they be cheaper and perform better? Maybe.

To me the thought of a FPC V8 made by Ford is just amazing. I never would have thought they would do something like this. I really like how the Coyote delivers power, and I think this engine will be similar, only more. When I first heard about the FPC, I felt I had to own one. Now as so much time has passed the novelty is a little less. I don't like the sound as much as I thought I would. To me the normal cross plane V8 sounds better.

Also stripping the car down and making a version available without a ton of add-ons appeals to me. But then again magneride also appeals. Like I said you have to make that call for yourself. Probably the improvements will trickle down to other cars and become less expensive over time.

Of course it's also possible that we are nearing a similar inflection point to what occurred in 1970, where all performance cars were neutered. This time it might happen again, where all the cars available at high volume or relatively low cost are crummy. If this is similar to 1970, and soon high performance will be going away, does that change your decision?

All indicators to me are that the high point is still coming and we haven't reached the inflection point yet. That might mean it makes sense to hold off unless you have the money to buy a GT350 and then buy again in a couple years when the cars are at the performance peak.

Who knows? You have to make the call.

 

[Grimace427]

Hack, I don't think you an say you like the sound of the CPC Coyote better than the FPC Voodoo. In factory form the Coyote GT doesn't sound like much at all. Then there are exhaust systems out that make the Coyote sound like absolute shit but we've only heard the factory setup for the Voodoo. Too little info to make an educated opinion.

 

[codeman94]

So what spoiler does the "Base" get? I'm assuming the "blade" from the Tech pack?

 

[RocketGuy3]

Yeah, the packaging doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever, and are one big reason I may end up not buying the car and instead sticking to my 2015 GT PP.

I mean is it that the Tech package options add so much weight that they just really don't want anyone tracking that version of the car? That's just a silly theory, but that's the most logical thing I can think of...

 

[ohmy350]

Personally I feel this is a decision you have to make for yourself. Really we all do. I'm also torn between the base and adding the track option. I would love to have pricing from Ford as I really can't make the call without that info.

There is a chance that the Voodoo engine or something similar will migrate down to the GT at some point. Maybe even magneride will become inexpensive and readily available. Now if there's a gas guzzler tax on the Voodoo that makes it in my opinion less likely to migrate to the GT.

Will there be other flat plane crank V8s made in the future? If this goes well for Ford, it's possible. Will they be cheaper and perform better? Maybe.

To me the thought of a FPC V8 made by Ford is just amazing. I never would have thought they would do something like this. I really like how the Coyote delivers power, and I think this engine will be similar, only more. When I first heard about the FPC, I felt I had to own one. Now as so much time has passed the novelty is a little less. I don't like the sound as much as I thought I would. To me the normal cross plane V8 sounds better.

Also stripping the car down and making a version available without a ton of add-ons appeals to me. But then again magneride also appeals. Like I said you have to make that call for yourself. Probably the improvements will trickle down to other cars and become less expensive over time.

Of course it's also possible that we are nearing a similar inflection point to what occurred in 1970, where all performance cars were neutered. This time it might happen again, where all the cars available at high volume or relatively low cost are crummy. If this is similar to 1970, and soon high performance will be going away, does that change your decision?

All indicators to me are that the high point is still coming and we haven't reached the inflection point yet. That might mean it makes sense to hold off unless you have the money to buy a GT350 and then buy again in a couple years when the cars are at the performance peak.

Who knows? You have to make the call.

I'm not exactly sure we'll see an inflection point at all, at least not in terms of shear performance. Look at what a Tesla P85D can do? Sure, modern-day combustion engines are on borrowed time but cars that MOVE will continue to be available as long as our Government doesn't intervene. Most of us aren't looking forward to that happening, but at least we won't be saddled with gutless wonders as we were in the early seventies.

Also, before I get too many replies bashing the demerits of an electric vehicle please keep in mind the (relatively) small amount of resources Elon Musk and Tesla has in comparison to the big three American automakers, not to mention Honda, Toyota, VW etc., when it comes to refining the technology. If/when Tesla starts really pushing the others in sales volume I'm sure all the others will start to really invest in the tech. Are they now? Sure, but I'm not sure they really want to. They're still throwing most of their proverbial eggs in their Hybrid baskets.

I much prefer the sound and exhilaration of the FPC 5.2 over an electric car, even one as fast as the Model S, so let me put this thread back on the rails. I'm just not as melancholy about the demise of the internal combustion engine as some are. We're going to be driving thrilling rides for many years to come, Government be damned!


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[ForTehNguyen]

suspension parts are modified to accept wider wheels and the 350 has the giant brakes

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...stang-shelby-gt350-suspension-brakes-details/

 

[Amaury]

Too ambiguous a statement to have any merit. What is a regular coilover? I think a double adjustable setup from KW, Moton, or MCS would prove superior to Magnaride on a racetrack given the amount of end-user adjustability. Definitely setups from Penske or other high-end setups would eat Magnaride alive on a racetrack. On the street however Magnaride would be the obvious choice.




This. If Magnaride was the superior track setup the Z28 would not be running the Multimatic DSSV dampers.

Regular coilovers that normal people can afford. Magnaride will do wonders for a car that is used for street and track than going for a full fledge coilover like Moton, etc... If the car is full track and you don't mind the hard ride for street, a coilover like you stated, will be the optimun choice.

 

[likeaboss]

Any word on how good the stereo is with the Tech pack? It says seven speaker stereo which isn't the base (6 speaker)... but isn't the Shaker (9 speaker) either.

 

[Special50]

Any word on how good the stereo is with the Tech pack? It says seven speaker stereo which isn't the base (6 speaker)... but isn't the Shaker (9 speaker) either.

Sounds like the 6 speaker plus a sub in the trunk. I hope it sounds okay, I currently have a shaker with 12 speakers.

 

[likeaboss]

Sounds like the 6 speaker plus a sub in the trunk. I hope it sounds okay, I currently have a shaker with 12 speakers.

I have the Shaker with 12 and it sounds ok. I think it might just be the center speaker in the middle of the dash.

 

[Hack]

I'm not exactly sure we'll see an inflection point at all, at least not in terms of shear performance. Look at what a Tesla P85D can do? Sure, modern-day combustion engines are on borrowed time but cars that MOVE will continue to be available as long as our Government doesn't intervene. Most of us aren't looking forward to that happening, but at least we won't be saddled with gutless wonders as we were in the early seventies.

Also, before I get too many replies bashing the demerits of an electric vehicle please keep in mind the (relatively) small amount of resources Elon Musk and Tesla has in comparison to the big three American automakers, not to mention Honda, Toyota, VW etc., when it comes to refining the technology. If/when Tesla starts really pushing the others in sales volume I'm sure all the others will start to really invest in the tech. Are they now? Sure, but I'm not sure they really want to. They're still throwing most of their proverbial eggs in their Hybrid baskets.

I much prefer the sound and exhilaration of the FPC 5.2 over an electric car, even one as fast as the Model S, so let me put this thread back on the rails. I'm just not as melancholy about the demise of the internal combustion engine as some are. We're going to be driving thrilling rides for many years to come, Government be damned!


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It's definitely possible to get crazy performance from a hybrid or all electric.

It's also possible to put electronic controls on vehicles so that you can't do anything that the government doesn't want you doing (such as speeding by even 1 mph or excessive acceleration).

Will that happen? Probably. I think it's very likely to happen in my lifetime, and I'm not young.

 

[R 350 gt Donson]

which will have better resale value? the TECH or Track package?

 

[ForTehNguyen]

probably tech, its the more daily driveable package

 

[arsenalrocks]

^^^ probably the tech pack, the difference is obvious to the eyes.

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