GT350 track pack vs. tech pack, upgrade path etc

[TRACK CRAZY GT350]

Not having magnaride keeps the base price lower which is a big plus for those who actually track their cars. Means more money for consumables like tires and brakes.

Looks like you are of the opinion that magnaride will not be beneficial on a road course. I thought magnaride was all about getting better handling.
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[TRACK CRAZY GT350]

Marc is right. If they say diff cooler they mean an actually cooler not a finned cover. It will include lines, pump, etc. BUT it is still a relatively easy retrofit. Hundreds of racers have done this with Ford and non-Ford aftermarket parts for many years.

As for the tranny cooler you don't have to have an internal pump to move the fluid. You could add your own just like the diff cooler. Just pull fluid from the drain plug, cool it and pump it back in through the fill plug. Same thing with the oil cooler. That's why we have the aftermarket.

Do you think the track pack coolers are really needed for HPDE events where you are only on track 20 minutes at a time?

 

[DivineStrike]

Looks like you are of the opinion that magnaride will not be beneficial on a road course. I thought magnaride was all about getting better handling.
:shrug:

I'm probably not as knowledgeable as Grimace is when it comes to magnaride technology, but I think the main appeal is being able to have the option to have a tame street ride on the day to day basis and then turn it up a notch when you want to go to the track. I'm not sure but maybe Magnaride is marginally better in track use but it is also expensive for someone who only really cares for track performance. I am sure Grimace will elaborate...

If I were in the market for a GT350 I would also like to opt out of Magneride for the cost and have a trackpack lite option with the coolers. Same goes for the R package.

 

[Amaury]

Magnaride will do wonders on the race track if set properly. Much better than regular coilovers.....

 

[Todd15Fastback]

Magnaride will do wonders on the race track if set properly. Much better than regular coilovers.....

I think I disagree with that. See Camaro Z/28.

 

[DivineStrike]

Amaury, Thank you good to know, still too expensive IMO though. I definitely don't know much about it beyond what i've seen in a few Magazines. I'm sure it's the future, but boy is the future expensive lol.

Todd, lets please not make this another z/28 vs 350 thread...we have enough of those lol. Do you have anyother info to share other than "the Z/28 sucks" type of comment? (not sarcasm btw)

 

[Mystic_Cobra]

Do you think the track pack coolers are really needed for HPDE events where you are only on track 20 minutes at a time?

I would say it all comes down to the driver. If the driver is advanced and is close to getting the maximum out of the car (HDPE 3 or 4), then yes, it will be beneficial in the long run. A beginner or intermediate driver will probably not get the fluids hot enough to matter and won't notice a difference.

If you are planning to do more than a few track days per year and plan to stick with it then it would be to your advantage. The coolers are going to make the fluid last longer as well as the components they cool.

Here's some data for you: When I was running 220-240F water temps and 285-300F oil temps with the 4.6-4V and an OEM water-to-oil cooler I was changing my oil after every weekend. This is with 10 qts of synthetic and oil analysis confirming that the oil was used up. Now that I have the Coyote engine my temps are 205F water and 250F oil and my oil analysis says keep running it after three weekends. I am using a good Setrab air-to-oil cooler and 10 qts of the same oil. Both engines making 360 RWHP and shifts at 7000 rpm on the track. I'm now running 2 seconds faster per lap (from a year ago) at my two regular tracks so I'm not taking it easy on the car.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

Amaury, Thank you good to know, still too expensive IMO though. I definitely don't know much about it beyond what i've seen in a few Magazines. I'm sure it's the future, but boy is the future expensive lol.

Todd, lets please not make this another z/28 vs 350 thread...we have enough of those lol. Do you have anyother info to share other than "the Z/28 sucks" type of comment? (not sarcasm btw)

LOL!! That's not what I meant. I meant that magneride is not always the best setup for fast track time, hence the Z28 and its suspension setup not using it.

 

[Mystic_Cobra]

I think I disagree with that. See Camaro Z/28.

The Z28 is just one data point. Who knows how much work went into whatever coilover setup you are referring to.

I don't know everything that Ford tested but I know what a set of decent coilovers costs. Do you guys really think that Ford would put the expensive Magneride system on the GT350 if it was not better than a set of coilovers?

It may not be the fastest setup for a car at any given track but with the Magneride system and the IDC, you have a complex machine that can EASILY be tuned with the flip of a switch from street cruising, to date night, to drag race, to road course. Can you do that with a set of coil overs? Nope.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

The Z28 is just one data point. Who knows how much work went into whatever coilover setup you are referring to.

I don't know everything that Ford tested but I know what a set of decent coilovers costs. Do you guys really think that Ford would put the expensive Magneride system on the GT350 if it was not better than a set of coilovers?

I am sure they did their homework and the GT 350 will perform at the highest levels.

There is a lot at play on how MR works. I of course learned everything about MR by reading, no real first hand experience.

Just gave the Z as an example of a non MR setup that performs on the track.

 

[DivineStrike]

LOL!! That's not what I meant. I meant that magneride is not always the best setup for fast track time, hence the Z28 and its suspension setup not using it.

Sorry lol, I forgot the Z28 didn't use it. That's the Zl1...I need sleep haha....so off I go, carry on

 

[Backorder]

These are some interesting posts. I myself was wondering exactly what are you getting with the base GT350 and is it worth it? Styling, lower weight (slightly?), engine, tranny...is it worth it for a potentially 15-20k above a base GT with PP?

 

[Spa2k]

Holy crap - read the specs. It's a totally different car!

 

[ihc95]

These are some interesting posts. I myself was wondering exactly what are you getting with the base GT350 and is it worth it? Styling, lower weight (slightly?), engine, tranny...is it worth it for a potentially 15-20k above a base GT with PP?

lol

 

[Backorder]

Sooo u want me to list of all the things it has over a base GT? Yes I know it's more than just an engine transmission and styling. Instead of being an ass and laughing or telling me to read the specs how about a simple "it's worth it because..."? I mean that would make your post useful and helpful.

I've been set on the track pack but want to know if he base car would be with considering. Using it as a DD I feel magnaride would be best, but a 6500 savings isn't too shabby either.

Edit: to me it's not just money savings but also adding another "new" technology from ford...I mean it already has a FPC which they have never done before, a new transmission then add magnaride...seems like another addition of something that could possible have issues because it's a first for ford.

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