GT350 Engine/Oil Usage/Fix thread.

[BlkGT3]

I have two friends one with a 997.1 turbo and another with 997.2 gt3, both carry at least a qt of oil with them. Turbo goes through so much oil, every time I see this guy he is topping it off. I have never owned these cars or dont know enough about them. What I was saying was based on my experiences and observations.

I dont think 997 series mezger is on your list though. Totally different engine.

Nope same engine, 997.1 turbo used the Mezger, the 997.2 turbo used the new integrated dry sump engine used today. The last street Mezger was the 997.2 GT3RS 4.0.

Observing 2 cars does not make you an expert. I am no expert either but after 10 years of Mezger ownership and a myriad of friends who own and track their cars high oil usage is not typical of the Mezger engine.


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[Zitrosounds]

kairojya,

I am very sorry to hear your new problem. Lightning strikes twice. If they do wind up replacing the engine insist on replacing the catalytic converters as well. Ford replaced mine with no fight.

Ford replaced my engine last week for excessive consumption. A quart every 80 miles and getting worse. It ran strong but like Mcarsfan said the pipes were black. The new engine is not using any oil up to this point. Most of the weekend was spent running in the new engine. 500 miles so far on the clock and the dip stick level is right where it should be.

After seeing your pics I am glad my motor came out the top.

 

[Zitrosounds]

I have put about 300 miles on the new motor. Drives like a champ. EVERYONE PLEASE CHECK YOUR FILTER!This weekend I installed the Borla Atak (INSANE!) and also received my filter socket (Flute). So I did the natural thing and I TQ checked the filter. Guess what?????? YUP! not to spec. Then I turned it with my hand a few degrees, checked it, still not to spec. Finally I put the wrench back on it and it almost turned 180 before reaching spec tq....CRAZY!!! I will be checking my oil now!

 

[Voodooo]

When I decide to pull my engine I'll also do it from below. Cradle and all. Don't have to remove the radiator/AC condensor less leaning over the fenders and hood. Don't have to remove the hood.

 

[kairojya]

When I decide to pull my engine I'll also do it from below. Cradle and all. Don't have to remove the radiator/AC condensor less leaning over the fenders and hood. Don't have to remove the hood.

Will you need an alignment? I guess the amount of movement from the control arm bushings is more or less the same as the amount of movement you'd see from removing the subframe from the chassis and reinstalling it?

 

[Voodooo]

Will you need an alignment? I guess the amount of movement from the control arm bushings is more or less the same as the amount of movement you'd see from removing the subframe from the chassis and reinstalling it?

Yep. I do my own alignments. I don't have control arm bushings.

 

[Zitrosounds]

When I decide to pull my engine I'll also do it from below. Cradle and all. Don't have to remove the radiator/AC condensor less leaning over the fenders and hood. Don't have to remove the hood.

YEAH! If I were doing the removal/install, from the bottom it is. However, the less the dealer has to remove, the better.

 

[rfcs550]

[MENTION=19530]Voodooo[/MENTION] I checked my dipstick (at least 15 min after the car stopped running) right when I picked it up from the dealer when my engine was replaced. So I have a baseline from then. I 30~ miles, and checked it again later that day when I got home (all on level ground). Since then I've done 500~ miles and a lot of acceleration up to 8200~ and engine braking too. I'm slowly seeing the level on the dipstick go down every 100~ miles. I haven't topped it off yet, and I haven't done my first oil change on this engine yet.

With my original engine I did the oil change myself and used Motorcraft. I already bought another case of Motorcraft to use with this new engine when I do the oil change in the next couple weeks. I'm going to monitor oil usage closely after my first change, and will keep in mind checking the spark plugs if it's bad.

[MENTION=25155]Sammy[/MENTION] thanks for the pics and info, and congrats on the new engine!

To add to the debate, I was checking the oil level when cold which yields a lower reading. Ford's manual recommends checking the level at normal operating temp (15 min. after shutting it off).

Another thing. While Ford's manual for the GT350 does not specify "normal" oil consumption, Ferrari does at least for the F136 FB naturally aspirated flat plane crank V8 in the 458 Italia that has a 10 liter oil capacity. Normal consumption for the 458 is 1 liter for every 1000km (a little more than 1.05 quart consumed for every 621 miles). This should give some perspective for the Vodooo and mine is using 1 quart every 1000-1200 miles or more.

 

[Minn19]

To add to the debate, I was checking the oil level when cold which yields a lower reading. Ford's manual recommends checking the level at normal operating temp (15 min. after shutting it off).

Another thing. While Ford's manual for the GT350 does not specify "normal" oil consumption, Ferrari does at least for the F136 FB naturally aspirated flat plane crank V8 in the 458 Italia that has a 10 liter oil capacity. Normal consumption for the 458 is 1 liter for every 1000km (a little more than 1.05 quart consumed for every 621 miles). This should give some perspective for the Vodooo and mine is using 1 quart every 1000-1200 miles or more.

I have checked it a few different ways. The way the manual says, a couple of hours later (and the engine is still fairly hot), also the wait until next morning when it is completely cooled off. All have showed essentially the same thing for the most part. But, the way the manual says to do it is probably the hardest way to get a good reading IMO.

IIRC, my dealer relayed to me that FP considers a quart per 1500 miles to be their standard. I'm not sure if that is 100% accurate, but that is what was told to me anyway.

FWIW, if my oil usage was stable between 1000-1500 miles I would be mostly ok with that. The problem is, is that it isn't and it continued to get worse until I stopped driving it altogether a few weeks ago now. It's hard to have faith/trust in a car when the problem continues to get worse. Again, I'm no master mechanic like some here, but I find it to be an obvious sign of a big problem that is getting worse.

I won't even get into how bad Ford is at customer service. It is truly appalling how they've treated some of us and don't even bother to call you back for weeks. I hate to be "that guy," but unless something drastically changes soon here, there really will be no reason for me to ever buy another Ford. Which really sucks because they have have some really fun cars to drive in their lineup right now. Obviously, most notably our beloved GT350s, it really is a truly fantastic car to drive in so many ways, but if Ford can't get QC and CS under control then it isn't worth the headache for me anyway. Rant/whining done.

 

[KiLLeR2001]

I'm at about 500 miles now after my first oil change and have not seen any oil consumption. Oil still at the exact same level it was the day I did my change.

Also, I filled my oil filter half full before installing it. Then I put the slightly used quart of oil away and filled the motor up with 10 full quarts. That put me at a level I would deem "perfect". I figured if I ever had oil consumption issues I would slowly use away that 11th quart.

 

[MCarsFan]

I'm at about 500 miles now after my first oil change and have not seen any oil consumption. Oil still at the exact same level it was the day I did my change.

Also, I filled my oil filter half full before installing it. Then I put the slightly used quart of oil away and filled the motor up with 10 full quarts. That put me at a level I would deem "perfect". I figured if I ever had oil consumption issues I would slowly use away that 11th quart.

That is what I was wondering as well. I did the same with the filter but instead poured that half quart and another nine to the engine.

I think it is likely the car might need 10.5 quarts if you are filling up the filter.

 

[MCarsFan]

I have checked it a few different ways. The way the manual says, a couple of hours later (and the engine is still fairly hot), also the wait until next morning when it is completely cooled off. All have showed essentially the same thing for the most part. But, the way the manual says to do it is probably the hardest way to get a good reading IMO.

IIRC, my dealer relayed to me that FP considers a quart per 1500 miles to be their standard. I'm not sure if that is 100% accurate, but that is what was told to me anyway.

FWIW, if my oil usage was stable between 1000-1500 miles I would be mostly ok with that. The problem is, is that it isn't and it continued to get worse until I stopped driving it altogether a few weeks ago now. It's hard to have faith/trust in a car when the problem continues to get worse. Again, I'm no master mechanic like some here, but I find it to be an obvious sign of a big problem that is getting worse.

I won't even get into how bad Ford is at customer service. It is truly appalling how they've treated some of us and don't even bother to call you back for weeks. I hate to be "that guy," but unless something drastically changes soon here, there really will be no reason for me to ever buy another Ford. Which really sucks because they have have some really fun cars to drive in their lineup right now. Obviously, most notably our beloved GT350s, it really is a truly fantastic car to drive in so many ways, but if Ford can't get QC and CS under control then it isn't worth the headache for me anyway. Rant/whining done.

I said this many times, you guys take this Ford treatment stuff personally. You shouldnt.

Ford is not in a business for building sports cars. Their strongest suit isnt customer service. They are "budget" domestic car company. The cost cutting/affordable is their business model. GT350 as well as GT are cars that are exception to the rule. Their dealer network, infrastructure, customer service, etc cannot handle a vehicle like this.

I knew this before I bought my car. If my car has a catastrophic issue like yours which required a new engine, I would simply sell the car and get another one.

 

[subtle]

I knew this before I bought my car. If my car has a catastrophic issue like yours which required a new engine, I would simply sell the car and get another one.

:lol:

 

[MCarsFan]

:lol:

Why lol? When you get a dud of anything, its a viable approach to try a new one rather than trying to fix it which can end up being an ongoing thing

 

[Minn19]

I said this many times, you guys take this Ford treatment stuff personally. You shouldnt.

Ford is not in a business for building sports cars. Their strongest suit isnt customer service. They are "budget" domestic car company. The cost cutting/affordable is their business model. GT350 as well as GT are cars that are exception to the rule. Their dealer network, infrastructure, customer service, etc cannot handle a vehicle like this.

I knew this before I bought my car. If my car has a catastrophic issue like yours which required a new engine, I would simply sell the car and get another one.

I'm not taking it personally. I'm weighing my options and may end up doing just what you are saying. It's a little hard to sell right now when it is sitting at the dealer waiting for an engine and then it still can't be sold (by a Ford dealer anyway) until the cooler line work is done. Also, like anyone in my position, I'm trying to take as small of a financial hit as possible. So, I'm waiting to see what happens and what my options are under the lemon laws of my state.

Also, I don't buy what you are saying. Ford has been around long enough that they should easily be able to handle a vehicle like this. But, I do agree that it appears they cannot or were not prepared for whatever reason to do so with the GT350 program.

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