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I was told when I put down my deposit, on the GT350, that at least one Tech per dealership, was going to be certified. Now I do not know to what extent, I never asked. I figured since this is the FIRST time Ford has made a FPC engine , and its completely different from the other engines in the past, they would take a course and get certified. Now it could be the dealership was making a bigger deal of it than it is.., but who really know's right now? My tech said he has not been ask to review anything or get certified yet, when he does I will get all the info I can.
That just means they will do it, whatever it may be. And its not really any different than a 5.0. It has a crank that is made differently.
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I am pretty sure the only thing similar to the Coyote and Voodoo is the over all architecture. Furthermore, there is more the GT350 that is unique to it then just the motor, like the Magneride.
 

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I am pretty sure the only thing similar to the Coyote and Voodoo is the over all architecture. Furthermore, there is more the GT350 that is unique to it then just the motor, like the Magneride.
thats not really accurate. to a technician, a DOHC V8 is a DOHC V8. The shape of the crank doesn't matter. And the magnaride, if it has issues, it will be with the electronics. electronics are electronics. not sure why we are arguing about this.
 

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No one is arguing. We are discussing the fact that some dealers are claiming they are going to have technicians certified to to work on the car, because of the differences.

The fact is the GT350 has alot of them, in major systems. It makes sense to have some one certified to work on them, as they are different and that needs to be taken into account. And the technicians need to be competent working on the car.

Nothing is going to piss off a tech more that is getting thrown on a car they might not know enough about, and they don't make time on the job. Bad for the Tech, bad for the Customer.

Having a tech that has gone through a SVT/Ford Performance class to highlight the differences, and what those difference mean in regards to potential issues, customers concerns valid or not, and how to properly address them is a good thing.

A good friend of mine, hates working on AMG Benz because of the Hydraulic suspension; one because they always goes bad, two they cost alot which makes everyone cranky, and is hard to make good time on.

The Technician classes, and cost/ allocation of GT350's are related.
 

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What I am saying is that there likely will not be a certification for this car based on 25 years of experience with Ford training. As I said, there will likely be supplement classes to the Senior Master Tech Program.
 

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No Ford car has ever had its own certification. The absolute closest thing was an svt certification back in 2003 for all svt vehicles, and even that wasn't an in depth tech course. At most... It will have its own test.
No Ford car has ever had its own certification? Do you mean the Tech's never needed any certifications, other than ASE? I have never heard of a production car that was certified, (No disrespect intended) or am I not understanding, what you are saying correctly?. I never worked for Ford, but I would think each manufacturer would have their own guide line's in relation to Tech requirement's for certain Car's/Truck's. Our Dodge rep. would give us a preview of the new production vehicle's. They had us go over them and then the Rep, would tell us about what if any innovation's the car's had, then field any questions we posed. Depending on what course you needed to take, let's say (Electrical systems) for example. There would be a Instructor to teach us about automotive electrical systems in general. Then if you passed the test, you received a Certificate of completion / Certification, in regards to the subject at hand. The classes lasted anywhere from 1 to 2 day's. That's how we did it back then, but I bet you already knew that. Special vehicle's such as the Viper would need a "in your word's" in depth Tech course, to be allowed to work on them. This is similar to what my Service Manager told me when, I asked him about what requirements were needed. I never had a chance to get certified to work with them. I think you can see the similarities between the Manufacturer's, they just go about thing's differently. This is how it was done at the Dealership I worked for. Then again this was in the mid 90's. Hope I didn't leave anything out. Damn where did all the time go? This suck's. :tsk:
On a personal note. I really have enjoyed all the Ford Truck's I have owned, and I'm looking forward to owning a GT350, if lucky enough to snag one. :cheers:
 

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No Ford car has ever had its own certification? Do you mean the Tech's never needed any certifications, other than ASE? I have never heard of a production car that was certified, (No disrespect intended) or am I not understanding, what you are saying correctly?. I never worked for Ford, but I would think each manufacturer would have their own guide line's in relation to Tech requirement's for certain Car's/Truck's. Our Dodge rep. would give us a preview of the new production vehicle's. They had us go over them and then the Rep, would tell us about what if any innovation's the car's had, then field any questions we posed. Depending on what course you needed to take, let's say (Electrical systems) for example. There would be a Instructor to teach us about automotive electrical systems in general. Then if you passed the test, you received a Certificate of completion / Certification, in regards to the subject at hand. The classes lasted anywhere from 1 to 2 day's. That's how we did it back then, but I bet you already knew that. Special vehicle's such as the Viper would need a "in your word's" in depth Tech course, to be allowed to work on them. This is similar to what my Service Manager told me when, I asked him about what requirements were needed. I never had a chance to get certified to work with them. I think you can see the similarities between the Manufacturer's, they just go about thing's differently. This is how it was done at the Dealership I worked for. Then again this was in the mid 90's. Hope I didn't leave anything out. Damn where did all the time go? This suck's. :tsk:
On a personal note. I really have enjoyed all the Ford Truck's I have owned, and I'm looking forward to owning a GT350, if lucky enough to snag one. :cheers:
no, i am saying they don't have certifications by model. these are examples of the ford certifications...
Automatic Transmission Assigned 20-Apr-2006
Actions Manual Transmission And Drivetrain Assigned 20-Apr-2006
Actions Climate Control Certified 22-May-2009
Actions Electrical Systems Certified 22-Oct-2009
Actions Steering And Suspension Certified 10-Dec-2010
Actions Gasoline Engine Repair Certified 02-Jul-2010
Actions Gasoline Engine Performance Certified 14-Jan-2012
Actions New Model Training Courses Certified 13-Dec-2014
Actions Diesel Engine Repair Certified 02-Jul-2010
Actions Diesel Engine Performance Certified 07-Aug-2014
Actions Technician Fundamentals Certified 13-Dec-2014
Actions Electronic Systems Yes Certified 04-Jan-2013
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no, i am saying they don't have certifications by model. these are examples of the ford certifications...
Automatic Transmission Assigned 20-Apr-2006
Actions Manual Transmission And Drivetrain Assigned 20-Apr-2006
Actions Climate Control Certified 22-May-2009
Actions Electrical Systems Certified 22-Oct-2009
Actions Steering And Suspension Certified 10-Dec-2010
Actions Gasoline Engine Repair Certified 02-Jul-2010
Actions Gasoline Engine Performance Certified 14-Jan-2012
Actions New Model Training Courses Certified 13-Dec-2014
Actions Diesel Engine Repair Certified 02-Jul-2010
Actions Diesel Engine Performance Certified 07-Aug-2014
Actions Technician Fundamentals Certified 13-Dec-2014
Actions Electronic Systems Yes Certified 04-Jan-2013
Actions Brakes
Ok, now I see what your saying, same thing we had. The shop I worked at had it broke down into Department's. Mine was called Heavy Line. Engine's, Transmission's etc. Basically all driveline components. Other's = electrical, Steering and Suspension, Brake's, a/c, and emission's . I think we are finally coming to a understanding here.:D Some time's it's just hard to relate what your saying to other people, especially in this type of setting. I would personally rather have a good conversation in person, or even on the phone. I feel like if you get some fact wrong, or just word something wrong here, your going to get Flamed. I don't know about you, but I have never come across anyone who even came close to knowing everything about any one subject. I could just as easily Flame other post I have seen, but I don't, because I respect their opinion's. Some fact's posted could be wrong (mine included), but that's a point for debate, not a excuse to Flame the other guy's posting. Point out the mistake's as you know them, and be nice about it, and have a discussion. Don't be a Jerk just because you don't see eye to eye about a topic. We are all here to learn something new, relay fact's, or just relate our opinion's. And most of all, have some fun doing it. Or what's the point? :shrug: Wow, now this is what I would call a rant. I feel much better now. :p
Are you ok up there jonb347? I think I got lost. LOL
I'm going to put my Flame Suit on now.:ninja:
 

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I'm a dealer tech with Mercedes and all of us get constant updates and recertification for new models throughout the year. Most of it is online, sometimes we get sent out to training centers. I guarantee there will be at least 2-3 techs per dealer who've taken at least some training for the GT350 before the car has even hit their lots. It isn't that big a deal, it's not like we can't look up instructions on how to fix certain things when we have the car in front of us.

I can see special training for the new GT super car as that has special handling requirements for the carbon fiber, lift points, ground clearance, things that would be easy to damage if you don't know what you are doing. The GT350 is still just a Mustang. Anything specific to the GT350 can easily be looked up in the dealer's online information resources.




Hybrid training is a big deal. Being properly trained for hybrid technology can mean the difference between getting the job done and losing an arm or even your life.
 

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No Ford car has ever had its own certification. The absolute closest thing was an svt certification back in 2003 for all svt vehicles, and even that wasn't an in depth tech course. At most... It will have its own test.
You overlooked Electric / Energi vehicles. They get their own certification and not all Ford dealers can sell them.
 

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I'm starting to feel like we are beating a dead horse here. LOL :cheers:
 

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I'm starting to feel like we are beating a dead horse here. LOL :cheers:
Yup, were in the information dead zone.......That will change in a few months.:ford:
 

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You overlooked Electric / Energi vehicles. They get their own certification and not all Ford dealers can sell them.
I said some. I just copy and pasted the first ones in the list from the training center.
 

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Have spoken with two dealers in San Diego County, both are getting at least one GT350 and both have said there will definitely be ADM. Any others out there that might not be charging ADM (likely in 2016)? Sure, I could possibly go up the road to Galpin Ford, but even they have indicated there will be ADM on the GT350's.
 

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Well, its a loss for the people who pay ADM's. Even to be the first to own one...not worth throwing away money for that privilege. Especially when the MSRp nets the salesperson and the dealership a very good profit over their true dealer invoiced purchase price.

That's not even mentioning how the inventory is seeded on credit and the manufacturer nets interest as the car sits longer on the lot. For the dealer to net the most return on the sale it would be in their best interest to move it quickly since the longer it sits the less profit they make.

Maybe there should be a Tech Info page that details what a buyer should know...this would at least get more understanding of what a disservice the ADM's are and how best to approach buying this car. Which from what we're all getting here...the best approach is patience.

The waiting game does not favor the dealer.... If this really is a hot ticket item and even at the MSRP it's really affordable. The ADM doesn't say much about the dealership except they are taking their opportunity to take advantage of that person who basically has that "entitlement" personality. They want what they want and will pay the extra to have it when they want it. Which is immediately. Waiting hurts the dealers.

Just as long as they understand they've devalued their purchase the more over MSRP they pay. Simply because when they tire of the car they will ultimately be disappointed when they attempt to trade it in for a car in the future or even sell it....They're gambling that the car will at least retain its value.... When in fact it typically loses value. So to buy it with ADM already puts them on the losing end.

The dealer and the salesman still wind up "laughing all the way to the bank"....as it was already conveyed to me by a sales manager through PM's.
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