Fuel system

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I didn’t like running a separate power wire either but these dual pump setups can draw 40-50 amps so a single 12 awg just isn’t sufficient. Dual 12 awg or single 8 awg is needed.

Mike what’s the power draw on a brushless day idk E5LM pump? I think it can flow up to 1100.

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[engineermike]

Mike what’s the power draw on a brushless day idk E5LM pump? I think it can flow up to 1100.

That beast can draw 70 amps or more depending on application and driver.

 

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That beast can draw 70 amps or more depending on application and driver.

Ohhhhhh didn’t realize it would draw that many amps. I was think maybe 25 or 30

 

[SheepDog]

What if an option were available that:
- Required zero cutting or splicing of factory wiring, 100% plug-n-play.
- Returnless/deadhead style using 100% OEM fuel lines with no cutting or splicing.
- Full OEM-style PWM feedback control - no regulator needed (tuning required)
- Supports 1000+ rwhp on E85, fully E85 compatible
- OEM fuel system diagnostics capabilities
- OEM-style bucket and venturi system

Would anyone be interested in this?

I think Arcane/Juggernaut already offers this as their stage 2 kit, or so it appears, aside from having to run a new feed line

https://juggernautpower.com/collect...-1800-hp-11-mustang-gt?variant=41180410970294

https://arcanep2.com/support

 

[engineermike]

I think Arcane/Juggernaut already offers this as their stage 2 kit, or so it appears.

No, in that system (correct me if I'm wrong),
- Both pumps run 100% all the time, actuated by on/off relays.
- Uses a mechanical regulator to control fuel pressure; does not use the programmable PCM PWM feedback pump control.
- Requires a boost reference hose.
- Does not use OEM diagnostics of the fuel system electronics.
- Uses aftermarket rubber fuel line and filter, not OEM hard line and OEM filter.

 

[SheepDog]

No, in that system (correct me if I'm wrong),
- Both pumps run 100% all the time, actuated by on/off relays.
- Uses a mechanical regulator to control fuel pressure; does not use the programmable PCM PWM feedback pump control.
- Requires a boost reference hose.
- Does not use OEM diagnostics of the fuel system electronics.
- Uses aftermarket rubber fuel line and filter, not OEM hard line and OEM filter.

The stage 1 system does use the OEM feed line and rails, but Arcane says no way your making 1000 wheel with the tiny fuel rails and cross over.

Are you working on a system, or know of a company that provides one as you described?

 

[engineermike]

The stage 1 system does use the OEM feed line and rails,

Right, I was comparing to the Stage 2 that you mentioned before. The Stage 1 does keep the stock line, but still has the other disadvantages I listed above plus it has no fuel filter, which is a no-no with GDI (gen3).

but Arcane says no way your making 1000 wheel with the tiny fuel rails and cross over.

Quite possibly. With centrifs and turbos this may be an issue, but on the PD kits I would expect them to have upgraded crossovers and fuel rails.

Are you working on a system, or know of a company that provides one as you described?

I'm working with an electrical/instrument engineer on a system. He's doing the design and fabrication heavy lifting, though.

 

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I think Arcane/Juggernaut already offers this as their stage 2 kit, or so it appears, aside from having to run a new feed line

https://juggernautpower.com/collect...-1800-hp-11-mustang-gt?variant=41180410970294

https://arcanep2.com/support

You could start with those and if Mike can work out the no cut harness for the electrical.

Right, I was comparing to the Stage 2 that you mentioned before. The Stage 1 does keep the stock line, but still has the other disadvantages I listed above plus it has no fuel filter, which is a no-no with GDI (gen3).



Quite possibly. With centrifs and turbos this may be an issue, but on the PD kits I would expect them to have upgraded crossovers and fuel rails.



I'm working with an electrical/instrument engineer on a system. He's doing the design and fabrication heavy lifting, though.

I have so much “like” right now

 

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I didn’t like running a separate power wire either but these dual pump setups can draw 40-50 amps so a single 12 awg just isn’t sufficient. Dual 12 awg or single 8 awg is needed.

Aeromotive has this pump in the 5 gpm that draws 29 to 29 amps

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