Front spoiler DRAMA

[Zitrosounds]

And evidently not enough time in the spelling simulator.

Bo, I'm not selling you a firearm so I don't need your background check... I'm done here. Have a good one. Tighten your spoiler, btw.

awe! the grammar/spelling queen, thanks.

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[Tomster]

awe! the grammar/spelling queen, thanks.

I hear ya. He's obviously not looking for help/advice. Been there, done that, got the T shirt. Its simple, take it to the dealer and document scratches, resecure it, and maybe get a new splitter while you are at it.

Best of luck with the dramatic issue. :doh:

 

[DrumReaper]

I hear ya. He's obviously not looking for help/advice. Been there, done that, got the T shirt. Its simple, take it to the dealer and document scratches, resecure it, and maybe get a new splitter while you are at it.

Best of luck with the dramatic issue. :doh:

Huh? I honestly believe a crowd of you guys just wish to stir up crap... No one here has denied "help", just not drinking everyone's kool aid. Dayum.

 

[50 Deep]

This derailed quickly

 

[krt22]

I'm amazed at how many of you guys know how much downforce these cars achieve... Simply amazed!

Regardless of what the exact number is, its not going to be dramatically different between the two cars at 80mph.

But either way down force alone wouldn't be the cause for it falling off unless you can see that the lip physically pulled the screws/clips out of the plastic retainers on the bumper (ie tore through it). If everything is in tact and the screws are missing down force alone isnt going to make them back out, if anything it will secure them more as it will add more tension to the bolt.

Fasteners will typically back out when there is relative motion between the two parts. This happens when they are not properly tightened or in high frequency/pulsating type applications where there is enough force to physically separate the parts and create relative motion between the two. The splitter doesn't really see high frequency down force application, it simply goes up and down (exponentially) with speed, not the type of condition that we typically associate with fasteners self loosening.

So in your case, as I previously stated, your splitter bolts were most likely not tight enough, I wouldnt worry about the R splitter design and the additional force it generates as the root cause of this type of failure (especially since base GT350s have also seen it happen)

 

[DrumReaper]

I'll tell you what... How bout I just let this guy give us a little demonstration. Please pay attention to the 66mph note.

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[krt22]

What they use as their baseline speed isnt really important, they can simply extrapolate what the total downforce/lift will be at higher speeds.

And if you noticed in that video, never once do you see the splitter flapping around, which is the type of behavior you would need to see in order for properly torqued bolts to come loose on their own.

Lastly, why bother to ask for an engineer's opinion if you are simply going to ignore it? If you want to believe traveling 80mph+ is the cause of your splitter falling off then so be it, but I would suggest slowing down or removing it completely in the future

 

[MCarsFan]

1. Limp mode on tech package
2. Oil filters coming off
3. Front splitter coming off


At what point will all the Ford appolagists take the Ford Dildo out of their mouths and quit defending all these issues that will scar the reputation of an otherwise great car?

I am going to get flamed for this but I dont care.

This has always been the problem of the "budget" American sports cars compared to their luxury counter parts.

Execution....

Every car has a problem, sure you can see $160,000 991 GT3s blowing their motors all the time, or the M5s chewing their crankshaft. But look at the way the company handles the problems and backs them.

And to be perfectly honest with you reading these boards, it sounds like amateur hour at its best here with Ford. There is clearly a lack of QA and thoroughness on this car. Anything from panel gaps to paint problems to oil filter issues just scream amateur behavior.

I am still doubtful on this car's longevity. Flat plane crank beyond 20-30k miles is going to be interesting.

And lastly, $60,000 is not pocket change. Its A LOT of money. This is utter bullshit what you must deal with considering 99% of you paid dealer markup for this car. You may as well spend 15-20k more and buy a Porsche GT4.

 

[krt22]

Go buy another M or your GT4 and leave us all alone already, jesus H. christ.

 

[DrumReaper]

What they use as their baseline speed isnt really important, they can simply extrapolate what the total downforce/lift will be at higher speeds.

And if you noticed in that video, never once do you see the splitter flapping around, which is the type of behavior you would need to see in order for properly torqued bolts to come loose on their own.

Lastly, why bother to ask for an engineer's opinion if you are simply going to ignore it? If you want to believe traveling 80mph+ is the cause of your splitter falling off then so be it, but I would suggest slowing down or removing it completely in the future

Hmm, let's clarify some things for you...

1) I never said anything about 80+mph being the cause of my spoilers problems. That's your inaccurate assessment of my posts. Please reread...

2) asking an engineer for a solution to coarse screws and u-nuts (old techno on advanced techno) is appropriate... Hell, there's a discussion of how to retain an oil filter with a c-clamp and wire on a $50-68k car... Wth?

3) lastly, I agreed that the original placement of the splitter wasn't performed correctly and thus led to the failure of my splitter but what does all of that working loose do to the plastics on the spoiler and the splitter mounts on the bumper?

Evidently, 66mph is an effectively good mph to addressed airflow and downforce for those engineers and I'll take their published video and car over your conjecture here any day. Hopefully, the reason the front splitter on that ZL1 isn't flapping in the wind (Lol) is because it was likely installed correctly and with good hardware. The fact that Ford's most track capable mustang ever with a $68k price tag has a spoiler falling off is ludicrous... But you wish to heckle me for other crap. Lovely.

 

[MCarsFan]

Go buy another M or your GT4 and leave us all alone already, jesus H. christ.

I may or I may not. I already have two M cars I dont need a third one.

But thats besides the point. Have I said anything wrong here? If I paid $70,000 for this car and its splitter falls apart in highway ramps, I would be furious.

Like the other guy said, you guys need to at least take a break from drinking the kool aid. Show some displeasure to Ford. I m sure if bunch of you complained, they ll take you seriously and do something about it.

Look at GM, better late than never, they do have a cooling solution for the Z06. Why? Because people complained!

 

[krt22]

Not heckling you, just addressing the likely actual root cause. This likley this isn't ford or the splitters fault at all, but simply operator error when they installed it. Quite a few have had their R out at the track already with no issues,

You asked for an engineers opinion on what happened in the original post, not coarse threads and u-nuts. All I am saying is you are likely trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

Feel free to do as you wish however

 

[DrumReaper]

Not heckling you, just addressing the likely actual root cause. This likley this isn't ford or the splitters fault at all, but simply operator error when they installed it. Quite a few have had their R out at the track already with no issues,

You asked for an engineers opinion on what happened in the original post, not coarse threads and u-nuts. All I am saying is you are likely trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

Feel free to do as you wish however

Installer or operator error, cause I'm trying to figure how me, as the operator, is in error.

At any rate, quite a few here have had fender vent issues, limp mode issues, stripe issues, and to a smaller extent engine failures and transmission issues. Quite a few have also experienced spoiler failures and I suspect the majority, if not all, were due to installer error. I suspect there will be more. Hopefully this thread will help others get some good info if people can work together rather than frigging antagonize. Smh.

 

[krt22]

Not antagonizing at all. You made this statement

Well, this front spoiler ordeal is aggravating... Need a solution for the downforce these cars attain. Any ideas.

And then yall got into a big discussion on aero. All I am saying its likely not at all related to the total downforce and more likely that the screws simply were not installed properly to start with. Screws self-loosening only occurs when there is relative motion between the two mating parts and applying more force is not what causes it to occur unless the screw was too loose to start with.

Sometimes it really is just a basic screw up by a single person but some folks really like to make a mountain out of a mole hill. There is already a big thread on how to check if your splitter is properly installed. Make sure the tabs are fully seated, make sure every single screw is installed, and make sure all of those screws are properly torqued.

 

[Tomster]

Not antagonizing at all. You made this statement




And then yall got into a big discussion on aero. All I am saying its likely not at all related to the total downforce and more likely that the screws simply were not installed properly to start with. Screws self-loosening only occurs when there is relative motion between the two mating parts and applying more force is not what causes it to occur unless the screw was too loose to start with.

Sometimes it really is just a basic screw up by a single person but some folks really like to make a mountain out of a mole hill. There is already a big thread on how to check if your splitter is properly installed. Make sure the tabs are fully seated, make sure every single screw is installed, and make sure all of those screws are properly torqued.

Bingo!

:cheers:

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