Formula 1 talk.

[Inthehighdesert]

They’re trying to figure out how to cook the books, so to speak, during those five laps. There is without a doubt two sets of standards and rules going on. I think it’s hilarious Verstappen could generally give a …. though. Lol. It was a very bad look for Russell. Guaranteed Toto said something after.

I agree there still seems to be some rule ‘interpretation’ but the Norris/Pisatri clash took Norris out. Norris at fault , no effect on Piastri (except maybe Piastri would have been able to get Kimi at the end, although if Norris has not crashed into Piastri he would have probably been able to overtake him and he could have got Kimi) so Norris punished himself in this collision. Tsunoda’s penalty was just ridiculous. We all thought Piastri should have parked the car like stroll was advised to do. He was lucky not to get a penalty himself. Max’s collision with Russell was deliberate and could have ended someone else’s race, it didn’t and didn’t really affect anything at all, 10seconds was too harsh 5 seconds would have been fairer. Or the stewards should have been in touch with RB quicker to say no position swap was necessary. All other sports seem to have faster electronic adjudication. I don’t know why it takes 5 laps to decide some of these things.

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[sk47]

Tsunoda’s penalty was just ridiculous. We all thought Piastri should have parked the car like stroll was advised to do. He was lucky not to get a penalty himself.

Max’s collision with Russell was deliberate and could have ended someone else’s race, it didn’t and didn’t really affect anything at all, 10seconds was too harsh 5 seconds would have been fairer. Or the stewards should have been in touch with RB quicker to say no position swap was necessary.

Hello; You are so very close to the answer. You have so much of the fundamentals down.
Of course, Piastri should have parked the car. Even the announcers mentioned such right away. Of course, Piastri should have been penalized.
A main point about Tsunoda's penality is not that he did not break a rule. He did break a rule. What he did made sense in that having to follow a slow damaged car (the car that caused a red flag) which was shedding parts. The point is the stewards enforced the rule in a big way. Fair enough if such is to be the same for other rules.

So, Max knew he did not need to give away the position in the prior race and saw his chance for a decent finish being taken away. He bumped the other car which was wrong. So, the penalty was severe. Again fair enough if all such transgressions ae penalized. It also apparently does not matter that no real damage was done. That max broke a rule seemed to be the point.

On to Norris and Russell within the realm of the point I am trying to make. They both broke some rules. Norris caused a bad wreck. Russell tried to brake check an opponent into a violation s well as failing to maintain the set distance behind the safety car. Had Max not possessed such good reflexes he could have crashed into the back of Russell's car. But for whatever reason the stewards decided to be lenient.
I sort of get it. The powers that be see how having a different team running up front has bumped up interest in the races. I like that part of this season as well. How to keep the new and exciting team in play may be why it took so many laps to make a decision. Had little to do with the actual events. Even with the limited video available to the public the events were clear enough.

 

[Bikeman315]

God, these guys love to play games…….

 

[sk47]

I am sure the incidents can be spun & explained away to suit. A thing is it seems we still have selective enforcement of the rules.

Or the stewards should have been in touch with RB quicker to say no position swap was necessary. All other sports seem to have faster electronic adjudication. I don’t know why it takes 5 laps to decide some of these things.

They’re trying to figure out how to cook the books, so to speak, during those five laps.

God, these guys love to play games…….

Hello; Of course RB was going to protest the brake check and the safety car distance. Hard to tell who Bikeman is accusing of playing games. Russell/MB played games on the track and did a stunt which has gotten other drivers a punishment. We saw it. That Russell/MB did not get any consequence the same or similar to other drivers is the point.

 

[Inthehighdesert]

Really. Tell us again which team tried screaming safety issues when their car was injuring the drivers? Tell us again which team again protested about safety issue’s when they couldn’t compete on pit stops? Tell us again which team, and the team principal tried to insert their wife in to the fia? Tell me again which driver was caught saying, no way he could have seen that, and then immediately stated isn’t that a penalty. Talk about a glass house. Russell tried to brake check max, period, to get him to be penalized. Horner’s job as the team principal is to protect his team and his drivers, and doesn’t need to ask for permission, nor should he. I’d be more concerned about my driver pulling stuff like that. Where would it have gotten rusell if max wasn’t paying attention and actually hit him taking them both out of the race and talking his win away in essence.

God, these guys love to play games…….

 

[Bikeman315]

Really. Tell us again which team tried screaming safety issues when their car was injuring the drivers? Tell us again which team again protested about safety issue’s when they couldn’t compete on pit stops? Tell us again which team, and the team principal tried to insert their wife in to the fia? Tell me again which driver was caught saying, no way he could have seen that, and then immediately stated isn’t that a penalty. Talk about a glass house. Russell tried to brake check max, period, to get him to be penalized. Horner’s job as the team principal is to protect his team and his drivers, and doesn’t need to ask for permission, nor should he. I’d be more concerned about my driver pulling stuff like that. Where would it have gotten rusell if max wasn’t paying attention and actually hit him taking them both out of the race and talking his win away in essence.

I should have stated more clearly then when I said ”these guys” I meant all of them, not just RB. They all do it.

 

[Inthehighdesert]

You’re not wrong there. Agreed. But only pointing out RB constantly, well. That said, I just try and ignore all that drama. I’m only interested in the racing. Can’t speak for others but I could do without the off track nonsense. There’s plenty of the on track.

I should have stated more clearly then when I said ”these guys” I meant all of them, not just RB. They all do it.

 

[Skye]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/motorsport/articles/clylw995zdqo

An article, on Kubica's win at Le Mans.

 

[Vlad Soare]

What a man! What a fantastic driver and sportsman! What an abyss between him and those whining primadonnas who cry for mommy when things get tough.
Hats off to him. I'm so happy for him. He really deserved this.
Men like him are a dying breed, sadly.

 

[sk47]

Why the stewards deserve all praises after the Norris incident

Hello; I disagree with most of this article. Some of the base facts are correct but i differ with the conclusions. I already pointed out the inconsistent applications of "deliberate acts". Max was punished for his while Russell was not punished for a deliberate act. True the acts were different, but the fact remains they both broke the rules.
The author goes into the Norris caused collision. (actually he seems to have missed that there was indeed a collision. Norris hit the rear wheel of Piastri's car.) Somehow Norris going for a space which did not exist was OK. How many times Have the stewards punished other drivers for a similar maneuver?

I go along with the punishment Max got for a deliberate bump of another car. I get why he was frustrated by being asked o give up a place when he did not deserve to. But he did bump Russlll's car.
That In the next race Russell did deliberately "brake check" and also broke the rule about distance behind the safety car. But Russell does not get even a mild punishment. I get that even the base "five second" penalty would have cost him the race win, so no punishment. Again, in your mind reverse the drivers. Have Max doing the brake check & too far behind the safety car. We all know some punishment would follow.

 

[Bikeman315]

Those were the days!

 

[Bikeman315]

Thoughts.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Thoughts.

Looks like a done deal. Unless..... some other out of work driver buys TWO Cadillacs.

 

[Inthehighdesert]

Kind of F1 related. Thought they did a really good job on the F1 movie.

 

[Bikeman315]

No one told Kimi!

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