Formula 1 talk.

[Inthehighdesert]

I didn‘t see the young man crying. Saw a young man dejected he made a mistake and was upset about it. As for the rest, yawn.

Hello; I was raised under the same philosophy as you. Men were not to cry in public. Children and boys could do so, but not men. I did not have to wonder if it made sense back in the day as such was universally accepted.
Now there are changed attitudes among many making such acceptable. I will need to think about the ramifications of the new thinking as it does not seem to be something without negative impacts. The crying incident will follow this man for some time to come.
One example being how the TV cameras focused on the incident. I imagine some TV directors instinctively recognized immediately it was something to play up for the small screen. Small screen drama not meant to be sympathetic with the young man. Indicates to me an understanding of how a general social norm was broken. A man driving a F1 car should not be seen crying like a boy.
Back to how I was raised for a moment. While I can understand why the lad was upset with himself for wrecking on a warmup lap, I also found the crying a wrong reaction for someone entering the top tier of formula racing. Guess that makes me land on the same side as Vlad.

I don't care what women of the "strong, independent" type, educated at the corporate diversity-and-inclusion school, may say. A man crying in public is a disgrace. Period.
You wrecked the car? Tough luck. Get out of it, own up to your mistake and move on. Crying like a baby is pathetic. But yeah, it will earn you the love of tough, "modern" women, who adore men who can "express their feelings". Yuck...
I guess I was raised in a different world, where men used to be men.

If believing this, and daring say it in public, makes me a disgraceful human being, so be it. I can live with that.

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[sk47]

I didn‘t see the young man crying. Saw a young man dejected he made a mistake and was upset about it. As for the rest, yawn.

Hello; Unfortunately for the "young man" it was in fact televised and pretty much anyone who got the race feed did see both incidents. And sadly, for him it was obvious he was crying. It did happen and we saw it.

But if as I suspect you are saying something other than you did not witness the crying, then such is another and distinctly different meaning. I can and do have sympathy for the boy. He had a bad day. I get that part. I have been watching racing for several decades and do not recall seeing a driver cry like that. Not saying it never happened as i have not seen every race and every driver. But the lad is tagged now. I hope somehow, he lives it down.

 

[sk47]

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Hello; ran across this link. I do not know much about how these streaming services work. I only recently bought a Roku and am still learning about it. I did do some searches on Roku and Sling for F1. So far the ones which broadcast current races do charge a fee.

 

[XeninWorX]

There’s nothing wrong with a human being showing their emotions. Gender doesn’t apply.

 

[Vlad Soare]

It's not wrong. It's just pitiful.
Formula 1 used to be a men's sport. Now it's become a game for little boys who cry for mommy when things get hard. Oh well... I guess things are bound to change over time whether I like it or not. The days of Fangio or Lauda are gone for good.

 

[sk47]

There’s nothing wrong with a human being showing their emotions. Gender doesn’t apply.

It's not wrong. It's just pitiful.
Formula 1 used to be a men's sport. Now it's become a game for little boys who cry for mommy when things get hard

Hello; Much as there are newer ideas about masculinity, the new ideas do not remove the generations old standards. Also, gender has always applied. Girls and women tend to get a pass on the showing of emotions.
I went to grade school in the 1950's. Sure some boys cried and when they did it bought them a label. Maybe crybaby or even worse. Schoolyards were in some ways like chickens in a yard. By that i mean a pecking order. My family raised chickens for eggs and meat. I saw it. I also lived it in the schoolyard as a child then as a public-school teacher for over 30 years. After the sixth or seventh grade a boy was embarrassed to be seen crying.
I have seen grown men cry when they lost a loved one and did not see any shame in it. Still have to go more with Vlad. Crying over a wrecked car looks unmanly.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Still have to go more with Vlad. Crying over a wrecked car looks unmanly.

Emotions can compromise judgement and SHOWING them is very damaging in a setting as competitive as racing. I have a world champion racer relative, and I can assure you all or almost every competitor will be more aggressive with someone that demonstrates how fragile they can be. So, he will experience times when he gives more space than he should (and finishes worse) OR crashes because the competitor misjudged his weakness (and not finish at all).

 

[Inthehighdesert]

Clearly, you tough guys have never experienced the other side of don’t ever misjudge kindness for weakness. And, not ever being so fully commited to something emotions come out at times. That in itself, no emotion, is the traight of a ….’n coward. And if you don’t understand the true meaning of that you’ve never been fully commited at or to anything. As for the actual racing and speed side of things. On just the Track Attack’s alone I’ve been to I can’t count how many of the types posting in this thread that lost their their ….’n lunch’s in the pits and cars in some cases, skipped a session, were obviously scared ….less of the capability of the cars, etc.. The young man in this scenario will no doubt learn from it, hopefully come out stronger. Please tell me from any of you who has competed at the level he‘s at, or remotely close to it, in any form in your lives. I’m sure you all were the definition of masculinity and male breeding at 19-20 years of age. Lmao.

Emotions can compromise judgement and SHOWING them is very damaging in a setting as competitive as racing. I have a world champion racer relative, and I can assure you all or almost every competitor will be more aggressive with someone that demonstrates how fragile they can be. So, he will experience times when he gives more space than he should (and finishes worse) OR crashes because the competitor misjudged his weakness (and not finish at all).

 

[Skye]

Eddie Jordan, 76, has passed.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/live/cj92g79pelkt

"Eddie Jordan, the flamboyant former Formula 1 team owner and television pundit, has died aged 76.

The Irishman, who had been fighting aggressive prostate cancer, died in the early hours of Thursday morning.

A statement from his family said: “It is with profound sadness that we announce the passing of Eddie Jordan OBE the ex-Formula 1 team owner, TV pundit and entrepreneur.

“He passed away peacefully with family by his side in Cape Town in the early hours of 20 March 2025.”"

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/13332330/eddie-jordan-former-f1-team-owner-dies-aged-76

"Eddie Jordan: 1948-2025
Born in Dublin on March 30, 1948, Jordan grew up in the Irish capital and was a keen karter as a teenager.

He suffered numerous injuries in single-seaters but raced at the prestigious Le Mans 24 Hours in 1981.

It was in 1979 when Jordan founded Eddie Jordan Racing to race in Formula 3, giving drivers opportunities to reach to F1.

Often known simply as "EJ," he ran his own Jordan team from 1991 to 2005 in F1. His humour, strong opinions and often extravagant dress sense made Jordan a popular pundit on TV after selling the team in 2005.

In his first F1 season, Jordan gave future seven-time champion Michael Schumacher his debut in Belgium.

Other drivers over the years included Damon Hill, who won the 1996 championship with Williams, future Ferrari driver Rubens Barrichello, and Heinz-Harald Frentzen, who was third in the championship for Jordan in 1999.

Following more sales and name changes since then after the Jordan name left the grid in 2005, the team currently competes as Aston Martin.

Jordan also acted as the manager for car design great Adrian Newey when he left Red Bull for Aston Martin last year.

Outside of F1, Jordan became a shareholder of Celtic Football Club in 2001 and led a consortium earlier this year to bring rugby union club London Irish out of administration.

He also played the drums and was a keen cyclist and sailor.

Further tributes are expected to be paid to Jordan at this weekend's Chinese Grand Prix in Shanghai."

 

[Bikeman315]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/live/cj92g79pelkt

Eddie Jordan, 76, has passed.

Oh no!

 

[Yorkshire_OH]

In my opinion (which is always correct) this is the finest looking F1 car ever produced. Eddie, despite his faults, will be missed for sure.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Clearly, you tough guys have never experienced the other side of don’t ever misjudge kindness for weakness. And, not ever being so fully commited to something emotions come out at times. That in itself, no emotion, is the traight of a ….’n coward. And if you don’t understand the true meaning of that you’ve never been fully commited at or to anything. As for the actual racing and speed side of things. On just the Track Attack’s alone I’ve been to I can’t count how many of the types posting in this thread that lost their their ….’n lunch’s in the pits and cars in some cases, skipped a session, were obviously scared ….less of the capability of the cars, etc.. The young man in this scenario will no doubt learn from it, hopefully come out stronger. Please tell me from any of you who has competed at the level he‘s at, or remotely close to it, in any form in your lives. I’m sure you all were the definition of masculinity and male breeding at 19-20 years of age. Lmao.

You quoted me but not sure how that relates to my post. All I said is that showing it to F1 competitors WILL cost him points (if he's in a car that could score points). Collisions occur when competitors BELIEVE the other will give way in perceived grey area situations vis a vis rules. You will lose more games of chicken if the other party believes you'll flinch first because contact would be less tolerable for you.

He's no less a man for crying. But he is less of an F1 racer for it. Ask him, and he will agree that his public display will make his job harder and cost him points. He already agreed it was embarrassing.

 

[sk47]

I didn‘t see the young man crying.

Clearly, you tough guys have never experienced the other side of don’t ever misjudge kindness for weakness. And, not ever being so fully commited to something emotions come out at times. That in itself, no emotion, is the traight of a ….’n coward.

I’m sure you all were the definition of masculinity and male breeding at 19-20 years of age. Lmao.

Hello; your rants abandon reason. The young man did indeed cry on TV. Saying you saw it differently does not change the fact.
The misjudge kindness for weakness does not make any sense. Anthony Hamilton was being kind and neither I nor anyone else called such a weakness.
While i cannot personally claim any extraordinary levels of masculinity at 19 or 20, I was raised by a man who did. My father was fighting with the 4th Division Marines at such an age or perhaps younger.

Maybe F1 should have a "safe place" for drivers to go to when things go badly. I would be very much surprised if any ever-set foot inside that.

 

[Timeless]

Get in there Lewis!

 

[Yorkshire_OH]

Get in there Lewis!

it will be interesting to see how things pan out in the sprint race for sure, a few cars out of position.

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