Ford Racing ProCal Tune

[TheLion]

91 and only 100-ish feet above sea level. I think it was in the high 90's that day.



It's like back when Cobra guys were popping motors after doing a pulley swap. They go out to Mexico or wherever and go bury the speedo in the top of 5th or 6th gear like when it was still stock. Too much heat expanded the pistons too quickly and you ended up with a toasted motor, even though they can hold 600+ hp.



I asked about the sound symposer if it was disabled.. but never got a solid answer back. I really can't tell. Maybe I'll flash the car back and take a drive with go pro with some comparisons.

What altitude is SAE test? 1kft? It was a really good point as to why a stock car was putting down 303 ft-lbs at the wheels instead of around 280ish we would typically expect, but then again it could be a combination of that particular car, on that particular dyno at that very ideal altitude. If your saying the car is actually stock during the first dyno run then I have no reason to not believe you. Those numbers are pretty impressive then for the FP tune and not that far off from Livernois.

Regarding your comment about the cobra guys, that's what you get when you push the limits, they either did not have adequate cooling or pushed the tunes too hard and didn't test under those conditions, hence the failures. That's one of the limitations of custom tunes, while you can push the boundaries, you also have a much higher risk of stepping over those boundaries as it's difficult to thoroughly and fully test under all conditions that car might actually operate under...then kaboom!

My cylinder head temps going WOT in gears 2,3, 4 and even 5th when the road opened up enough, up hill with another 200lb passenger in 91F ambient never went above 200F, which is 15 degrees lower than a bone stock car, however unlike most people on this forum I have significantly upgraded cooling. I'm running a large FMIC, a 2" Mishomoto Radiator and 160F thermostat. Most people stop at just the FMIC.

Interestingly enough however, summer isn't the most dangerous, it's actually winter. The very cold, high density ambient air produces much higher torque and power, consequently greater heat in the chamber. That's when people tend to throw rods, which seem to be the weakest link on the 2.3L where the pistons seem to be the weakest link on the 2.0L. This is one of the advantages of running software that has been thoroughly tested over a broad range of operating conditions and having that inside access to Ford's R&D Engineering department like the above mentioned big name companies. Yes, if your going to run reliably under such a dynamic range of conditions your going to give up some performance, but for a DD car I don't see why you would go any other route. For a weekend toy or track only car a specific tune makes more sense since your goal is to be the fastest you can be.

I think the whole point of Ford Performance, Livernois, Roush and Montune etc. is to provide performance boosts for street cars. Some of them do offer car specific tuning services as well for those who are interested in making a track car, but their "canned" tunes are intended to be a high performance version of the OE software.

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[jtmat]

When in boost it is fairly loud in my opinion. You can hear whooshing sound. When not in boost similar to stock. Not sure if I like the sound. A stereo drowns it out.

I did not like it at first.... grown on me now... I even like it, now that I know how to manipulate the sound.

 

[arghx7]

SAE J1349 reference conditions are 25C and 99 Kpa ambient pressure, which is about 660 feet/200 meters altitude. It's basically a day in June in Detroit (average altitude in the area and average high temperature in June).

 

[Redcruzer]

Mileage.

I realize it's a bit early for this, but I'm hoping some of you with the tune could report back on your mileage in the next few weeks.

I'm curious if it's about the same, a little better or a little worse for those doing a lot of freeway driving. I like to road trip my car and I'm interested in range.

Thanks for any info in advance.

 

[Fox-4]

I'm not a hyper miller with my cars, but long trips the DTE still show around 350+

 

[GJarrett]

Was told by the FP guy that highway mileage should drop 1~2 mpg - I believe the tune runs a little richer than stock. Getting some feedback from end users would be interesting. IMO it would take a few long distance highway trips using cruise control before-and-after to know for sure. I have a feeling real world day-to-day mpg is going to drop pretty good because it will be more fun to keep in the boost

 

[TheLion]

Was told by the FP guy that highway mileage should drop 1~2 mpg - I believe the tune runs a little richer than stock. Getting some feedback from end users would be interesting. IMO it would take a few long distance highway trips using cruise control before-and-after to know for sure. I have a feeling real world day-to-day mpg is going to drop pretty good because it will be more fun to keep in the boost

Getting ready to go on an out of state trip next week. 500 miles one way. Maybe ill run the FP tune on the way there and Livernois on the way back to see how mileage compares. Let me know if your interested.

 

[TheLion]

Or i could just run the fp tune both ways as i have a pretty good idea of fuel mileage with Livernois. Best mileage ever was 34 but with lms 93 tune and 3.31 emrear end, churning at only 2200 rpm at 78mph. With lms 91 and 373 rear end best ive gotten is 31. Trip lengs were between 35 and 75 miles. Bone stock best ive gotten was 29.5.

lLivernois 91 and Foxs FP dyno look oretty close so but it seems Ford Performance keeps the car running a little rich as another safety mechanism as is the case stock.

 

[jtmat]

Mileage.

I realize it's a bit early for this, but I'm hoping some of you with the tune could report back on your mileage in the next few weeks.

I'm curious if it's about the same, a little better or a little worse for those doing a lot of freeway driving. I like to road trip my car and I'm interested in range.

Thanks for any info in advance.

I'm taking a 100 mile trip this week and will let you know. Normally I'm around 28 mpg for a trip like this... mix of hwy and city driving. I definitely will be taking notes since I'm interested to see what will happen.

So far my mpg has fallen... a lot. I've never hardly seen 19 mpg.... I am normally at 24... but I'm at 19/20 now.

But then I'm also "getting in it" more to hear the turbo sound... silly as that sounds. I look in the mirror and say grow up, but that does not work. :shrug:

 

[marjen]

Will check my mileage this week. I have a 90 mile daily commute. Usually average around 24-25 mixed driving.

 

[apx632]

My average combined MPG per tank is 27 on my 93 tune. Been extremely satisfied with that. If I take a road trip and stay on the highway I'll average about 30mpg if i stay at 75mph or below.

 

[TheLion]

My average combined MPG per tank is 27 on my 93 tune. Been extremely satisfied with that. If I take a road trip and stay on the highway I'll average about 30mpg if i stay at 75mph or below.

That's great, but what does your shop tune have to do with the FP tune? Everyone posting is posting in regards to fuel mileage on their FP tune compared to stock.

With Livernois 91 / 3.7 3 rear end I saw 31 highway as my best and with and 34 highway with Livernois 93 and 3.31 rear end, but that doesn't really help people who want to know what kind of loss they can expect with the FP tune.

My FP pack is coming tomorrow, so I'll be able test it myself as well on a 500 mile trip, mostly highway, so should get a decent idea of highway mileage, but I do have a 3.73 rear end and not the 3.55 most people have with PP cars, so I may see 1 mpg lower yet.

Right now on the stock tune and I'm down to 21 mpg, mostly city / urban and 7 minute warmups every day before work. It'll be interesting to see how the FP tune compares for daily driving when your not into it all the time. I can enjoy driving car just cruising along as well as pushing the car, just depends on my mood and the roads.

 

[jbailer]

That's great, but what does your shop tune have to do with the FP tune? Everyone posting is posting in regards to fuel mileage on their FP tune compared to stock.

With Livernois 91 / 3.7 3 rear end I saw 31 highway as my best and with and 34 highway with Livernois 93 and 3.31 rear end, but that doesn't really help people who want to know what kind of loss they can expect with the FP tune.

My FP pack is coming tomorrow, so I'll be able test it myself as well on a 500 mile trip, mostly highway, so should get a decent idea of highway mileage, but I do have a 3.73 rear end and not the 3.55 most people have with PP cars, so I may see 1 mpg lower yet.

Right now on the stock tune and I'm down to 21 mpg, mostly city / urban and 7 minute warmups every day before work. It'll be interesting to see how the FP tune compares for daily driving when your not into it all the time. I can enjoy driving car just cruising along as well as pushing the car, just depends on my mood and the roads.

LOL you call him out for comparing what he gets with his shop tune and that's exactly what you're doing when you reference your mileage with the Livernois tune.

 

[Bennington]

LOL you call him out for comparing what he gets with his shop tune and that's exactly what you're doing when you reference your mileage with the Livernois tune.

Lol

 

[TheLion]

LOL you call him out for comparing what he gets with his shop tune and that's exactly what you're doing when you reference your mileage with the Livernois tune.

The difference being he doesn't have the FP tune to even test out nor does it appear he has any intent on doing so, I thought that might be obvious, but maybe not :shrug:

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