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The Gen3 Coyote PCM logic really is amazing. It will do things that Gen2, Ecoboost, and even GT500 won't do.

I've posted about my 2020 F-150 several times before, so here's another one. As most know, the Roush supercharger has a charge temp problem that severely constrains power when octane limited, but isn't such a limit on E85. I installed a smaller pulley to raise the boost up and take advantage of E85, which works against me on gasoline. I had already turned on flex fuel in the truck and have spark timing increase or decrease with learned ethanol. Now, I added a load limit that also floats up and down with learned ethanol. Just to prove it out, I set a load limit of 1.0 under 50% ethanol, ramping up to no limit at 60%. The following snips are from one continuous log just after switching from gasoline to E85:

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This is immediately after a fill-up with E85. At this time, gasoline is still being delivered to the engine because the fuel system was not yet purged of the olf fuel. You can see that the AFR status was actively learning, triggered on by the fill-up. Pedal is to the floor, desired load is 1.00, and actual load is 1.025, following the gasoline load limit applied. Boost pressure is about 2.5 psi.

I have it set up to add 8 deg of borderline timing between 50 and 60% ethanol:
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Here you can see the ethanol learning increasing from 55 to 60% and the borderline timing increasing with it. This is the timeframe over which the flex fuel load limit is also released.

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This is 12 minutes after the first snip, in the same continuous log. It didn't quite hit the 60%, but it was close enough to allow the throttle to fully open and the load went past 1.6, boost being about 13 psi. The desired load was lower than actual because only torque demand was setting the desired load, and some other settings in the logic will still push the blade open if driver demand is limiting desired load.

So for everyone looking to get the most out of their flex-fuel supercharged mustang, just know this is possible just by turning on and tuning the stock logic. You can pulley down as far as you want on E85 and set up a load limit on gasoline, which will limit boost as a result.
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Fantastic work.

Maybe someday the "pros" will adopt some of the, relatively simple, tweaks we have been working on. That way, those of us willing to self-tune won't be the only ones who can experience all the functionality the PCM has to offer.

I can't wait to put a 1000whp E85 pulley on my blower and then run pump gas on it with no issues at all.
 
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As tuning goes, in most cases you try what you think would work, log, figure out why it didn’t, make changes, log again, and after a couple of iterations you figure it out. That wasn’t the case this time. I changed two tables and it worked on the first try.
 

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if this was a school exam.. you'd score 33%.

1 out of 1 points for the correct answer.
0 out of 2 points for not showing yer work.

Unless you just don't give a rats ass about spreading the knowledge.
 

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My problem is I have a gen 2, hard to test gen 3 tunes.

Buying a gen3 is not in the cards
 

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My problem is I have a gen 2, hard to test gen 3 tunes.

Buying a gen3 is not in the cards
Thankfully PCMTEC CustomOS brings similar functionality to the table for people like you. In your case, you could accomplish basically the same thing with that.
 

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Yes, the ethanol/octane/lambda load limit tables are also a function of rpm and charge temperature.
I have theories that when you are octane limited that you could lower the boost (load) around the torque peak but increase it as you near redline to flatten the torque curve and get more power safely.

Thoughts?
 
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I have theories that when you are octane limited that you could lower the boost (load) around the torque peak but increase it as you near redline to flatten the torque curve and get more power safely.

Thoughts?
I just realized yours is a Gen2. I don't believe the Gen2 will vary max load or even timing as a function of ethanol. Gen2 OEM flex fuel just manages fueling and none of the other cool stuff. I think you'd have to do PCMTec can-bus or user-set flex and it could do it that way just due to the way it works.

That said, I've found that when octane limited the engine will almost always make more power at higher boost and less timing. You get more power from the boost than you lose from the timing. The exception is if your compressor is getting inefficient or your intercooler is running out of capacity to sufficiently cool the charge. I'm limiting boost with low ethanol in my Roush truck because the intercoolers are notoriously small so the timing winds up too low on pump gas at 14 psi boost.
 

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I think you'd have to do PCMTec can-bus or user-set flex and it could do it that way just due to the way it works.
Rolls has said it can be done on gen 2 using custom OS
 

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Great work.. very bad ass indeed.
 

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Rolls has said it can be done on gen 2 using custom OS
Custom OS can mimic the Ford OEM gen 3 flex fuel logic, to an extent. I’ve modeled my Whipple gen 3 PCMTEC CAN bus flex fuel setup to take as much inspiration from the OEM Ford flex fuel logic as possible. I also have an NA gen 3 car running a similar OEM-mimicking flex fuel program as my Whipple car with great results.

Porting this over to Gen 2 with PCMTEC Custom OS would be trivial.
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