EFR Big Turbo Kit Comparo

[RubyRed15]

Trying to determine the "bang for the buck" winner without taking power into account (seems impossible with all the fueling and tuning complications). Right off the bat, Lethal looks to have the edge because they include an intercooler.

Looking for owners/mfrs to weigh in and fill in the gaps below, and tell me why we should consider your kits vs. the competitors.

cp-e Borg Warner EFR Twin Scroll Atmosphere™ Turbo Kit
http://cp-e.com/webstore2/product/f...-warner-efr-twin-scroll-atmosphere-turbo-kit/
Turbo options: 7064, 7670, 8374, 9180
Starts at $4,994.44 (7064)

Kit includes:

• 304 stainless steel twin-scroll manifold
• laser cut and CNC bent heatshield
• extra O2 bung and EGT bung on the manifold
• 3.00” 304 stainless steel downpipe (extra $499 for the back half(!))
• all of the silicone hoses
• heatshielded stainless steel braided coolant and oil lines
• heatshielded hard oil return line
• 4″ intake pipe with a custom air filter
• lifetime warranty

Installation hardware not specified as included
No tuner/tuning options specified
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Full-Race EFR Twinscroll FReakOBoost Turbo Kit
http://www.full-race.com/store/ecob...st-efr-twinscroll-freakoboost-turbo-kit.html/
Turbo options: 7064, 7163, 7670, 8374, 9174
Start at $5,652.95 (7163)


Kit includes:

• Full-Race Inconel 625 turbo manifold
• Full-Race 3″ Downpipe
• Full-Race 2.5″ Hot Pipe
• Full-Race 3.5″ Intake
• Full-Race Hardware Kit Box

Optional add-ons:

• Coatings for turbine, manifold, and downpipe
• Turbosmart Twin Port Internal Wastegate Actuator
• 3" full exhaust

lifetime warranty against manufactured defects and cracking
Tune not included
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FFTEC 7670 MAX! Performance Turbo System
https://www.fftec.com/item/2013/FFTEC_7670_MAX_Performance_Turbo_System.html
Turbo options: 7670 (also as an 8374 kit)
Starts at $5,135.00


Kit includes:

• 304 Stainless Steel Manifold/Adapter
• Turbo Flange Adapter
• Downpipe Heat Protection
• Compressor inlet elbow
• Compressor discharge pipe
• Turbine discharge pipe and mid-pipe
• Oil Feed/Drain Lines and Fittings
• Water Inlet/Outlet Lines and Fittings
• Heat Insulation Wrap
• Turbo Blanket
• Mounting Hardware (Nuts, Bolts, Gaskets)
• Vacuum Hose/Tubing (Tee's and fittings)

No warranty specified
No tuner/tuning options specified
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Lethal Performance Mustang 2.3L Ecoboost Upgraded Turbo Kit
http://www.lethalperformance.com/lethal-performance-mustang-2-3l-ecoboost-upgraded-turbo-kit.html
Turbo options: none
Starts at $5,024.00 (if you have a Lund tuner)

Kit includes:

• Borg Warner 7163EFR turbo.
• Turbosmart Race Port BOV - Black
• Custom Turbo Manifold Adapter (single scroll?)
• Lethal Performance Intercooler Upgrade
• Polished 6061 aluminum downpipe and intercooler pipes
• Polished 6061 aluminum cold air intake with heat shield- retains factory grille vent
• Stainless Steel feed and drain lines
• 30 day warranty

Optional add-ons:

• Lund nGauge
• Catted downpipe
• Cutout w/Electronic Valve for Downpipe

Installation hardware not specified as included
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MAP EFR Divided T4 Turbo Kit
https://www.maperformance.com/colle...-kit-2015-ford-mustang-ecoboost-ebm-efr-ip-tk
Turbo options: none
Starts at $4,099.99 (requires MAP ported head, $ 1,699.99 - unclear if this is included in the $4k or in addition to)
Kit includes:

• Ford Racing Individual Port Head
• 3" SS V-Band Down-pipe w/ Flex
• 304SS T4 Div Tubular Exhaust Manifold
• CNC Transitioned Head Flange
• 1.5" Primaries
• 3.5" SS Intake
• Velocity Stack
• US Made Green Filter
• SS Passenger Side Intercooler Pipe
• All Necessary Hardware
• All Gaskets, Clamps & Coupler's
• Oil Feed and Return Lines
• Water Lines
• MAP Lifetime Wty. On Fabricated Parts
• Manufacturer Wty. On Third-Party Parts

Tuning/tuner not included
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[Apwrx]

Best bang for buck would be buying the used full race 7163 kit for 3700 from Brad Mashlum.

 

[Juben]

The best bang for your buck may very well be the Vargas Stage II (twin scroll). They're gonna do a Black Friday sale for those that missed out on the pre-sale, but even at the full price of $2k, it could very well be a great option.

 

[RubyRed15]

The best bang for you buck may very well be the Vargas Stage II (twin scroll). They're gonna do a Black Friday sale for those that missed out on the pre-sale, but even at the full price of $2k, it could very well be a great option.

True, but I'd like to consider big turbos vs. stock location upgrades as a separate matter.

 

[Billy1]

The new Borg Warner turbos that just debuted at SEMA might also be an option.

 

[NightParade]

Full race with the new twin scroll manifold of theirs, best in the biz. Get the 7670 and be done.

 

[Ron@cp-e]

results are better than opinions

UPR is the fastest in the world and uses the cp-e Borg ERF kit
BG Racing is the second fastest and also uses the cp-e PTE kit
both in the 9's:hail:

 

[Sup3rPat]

results are better than opinions

UPR is the fastest in the world and uses the cp-e Borg ERF kit
BG Racing is the second fastest and also uses the cp-e PTE kit
both in the 9's:hail:

Facts

 

[Sup3rPat]

MAP also has an EFR kit out but it requires their ported head.
https://www.maperformance.com/colle...-kit-2015-ford-mustang-ecoboost-ebm-efr-ip-tk

 

[mustang_guy]

I dont have an ecoboost but id use cpe or fullrace. I had experience with fullrace on one of my subarus.

Ets probably has a kit in the works too. They also make great packages and parts. Another great option for you ecoboost folks if it comes to light. Currently have Ets on my dd sti. Cant shake a stick at a low 9 to high 9 second sti depending on psi.

 

[RubyRed15]

MAP also has an EFR kit out but it requires their ported head.
https://www.maperformance.com/colle...-kit-2015-ford-mustang-ecoboost-ebm-efr-ip-tk

That's... excessive.

 

[apx632]

The ONLY reason I see the Lethal Performance being the best bang is if somebody went from bone stock to the turbo kit. Othrewise if they are already modded I would expect them to already have an intercooler, which is why I like that most of the EFR kits now have the intercooler as an option. I already have a Level's unit and it can be used with most of the kits with their charge pipes.

The one question I do have, is what is the efr7163 rated for power wise? Not seen that option before. I know the 7064 and the 7670 and that's about it.

 

[UPRSteve]

results are better than opinions

UPR is the fastest in the world and uses the cp-e Borg ERF kit
BG Racing is the second fastest and also uses the cp-e PTE kit
both in the 9's:hail:

:cheers:


The CP-E turbo kit with the BG Twin will 100% do what anyone is looking to do. From basic set ups to setting records. These will work. One of the key items to this turbo kit that no one else does is they built a cast manifold. So you know it will last as long as the car. Over time tubular designs will crack and weaken.

The CP-E turbo kit allows for a simple install and you can re-use any intercooler you have with factory style connection. Turbo upgrades are simple as just swapping. Running a stock fuel or a Aux kit like the one we use from CP-E will get you that extra fuel to allow more power and even a full E85 swap like we use.


IMO... Spend it once and do it right.. Go CP-E! We will be having a Black Friday sale on there turbo kits as well.

 

[5.0yote]

That's... excessive.

Yeah Its a lot of money and certainly does not fall under the OPs "Best bang for the buck" list thats for sure.

 

[Ryan @ PDTuning]

The ONLY reason I see the Lethal Performance being the best bang is if somebody went from bone stock to the turbo kit. Othrewise if they are already modded I would expect them to already have an intercooler, which is why I like that most of the EFR kits now have the intercooler as an option. I already have a Level's unit and it can be used with most of the kits with their charge pipes.

The one question I do have, is what is the efr7163 rated for power wise? Not seen that option before. I know the 7064 and the 7670 and that's about it.

I can't recommend the Lethal kit in it's current form sadly. Not with out some rework. I purchased the kit for my personal car, and i had so many fitment problems with the initial install. Thankfully lethal promptly reimbursed me for everything i had to fix. I had the kit on a total of 1,300 miles over a 2 month period, and the manifold cracked at the vband weld. The downpipe has no flex section & the manifold/turbo has no bracing. This is what ultimately lead to the crack in such a short period of time. Lethal says they've added bracing to the manifold, but really what they need is some form of turbo support. I hope they do some extended testing with this revision as i am moving onto a sturdy cast CP-E manifold that [MENTION=14142]Ron@cp-e[/MENTION] hooked me up with =D.

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