Ecoboost Engine Blown?

[347CobraII]

Exactly ford is not dumb if they left it up to dealers to make the decision they would be losing a lot of money.

Caterpillar we do download and saved to program but we have choice of submitting it to Cat but we always submit it . Cummins we have the choice to do download but we have to do it for warranty work. But if we do Cummins EDS ticket (T/S) they're asking more and more now to attach to EDS. Paccar engine automatically does download saves to program but also later on sends to Paccar. If we use Paccar supportlink to help with diag after we exhaust all other T/S when root cause not found we have to attach download, driver report, and any test we do.

I can see in near future it will be automatic download and send it. So they can see issues there engine are having to help with T/S or software changes.

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[Blk2015GT]

BTW - Ford makes their own catch-can through Ford parts. I highly doubt the car warranty is void by using their catch-can which is really no different than any other catch-can. It still allows the PCV system to operate fully ... just a matter of how efficient the can is at collecting oil in the vapors going through it.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38178

http://bossmustangsonline.com/index.php?topic=10399.0

Facepalm.

Do we need this long debate again really?

Ford Performance is NOT Ford Motor Company. Every single current Ford Performance part on the market is not an OEM part and thus an aftermarket part per Ford Motor Company and any damage caused by it is not covered under the factory warranty on the car.

Whether this can utilizes Ford Performance's 3/36k limited warranty http://fordperformanceracingparts.com/warranty/Select_Parts_Warranty_Statement_2015.pdf like some of the current parts or superchargers is another story- unknown right now.

If it doesnt though then it comes with no expressed warranty and if can be linked to engine damage somehow (hypothetically as this is slim to none) is no better than any other aftermarket one.

 

[GT Pony]

If it doesnt though then it comes with no expressed warranty and if can be linked to engine damage somehow (hypothetically as this is slim to none) is no better than any other aftermarket one.

The deal is, IF any aftermarket part can be proven to have caused the failure, then that is all fine and I have no problem with it.

BUT, when Ford or whatever auto maker just automatically denies warranty because of ANY aftermarket part on the car, then that's just a cop-out to pass on the cost of a flaw in the car that probably would have occurred if it was still bone stock.

 

[Brian V]

LSPI strikes again!

Is there any truth to this theory that the lubricating oils that are being marketed to the consumers at present has the possibility of Causing LSPI ?

Is there any studies of this catastrophic occurrence of these Direct Injected Turboed Engines todate ?

Will a high quality Synthetic oil that does not cause preignition in these Engines be Recommended and why has Ford Not Recognized these Issues with these Turboed Engines Regardless of Mods or the lack of Mods or has Ford been informed and have proceeded with R&D into these issues with the Direct injected Turboed Engines ?

A 60.000.00 Mile warranty apparently is insufficient for these Engines and therefore I must recommend that each and every last 1 of US 2.3 Ecoboost owners pony up for the Extended Warranties that Ford Offers .
Definately do not get any such aftermarket part that can quite possibly Void any and all Warranties ..................

 

[Mattrix]

There few who think since it says will not void warranty there in the clear. Then there's the guy who says Roush CAI won't void anything

I forgot to come back and post this a couple weeks ago..

Take it for what it's worth, you can make the calls yourself if you'd like.

I called the Ford customer care line and they couldn't answer my question about warranties in relation to cold air intakes. They transferred me over to a guy at Ford Performance. So I talked to the guy from Ford Performance and he said there would be no issues with warranty and a Roush CAI. He said other brands there could be. He referred to the manual and how it says some intake could void warranty.He then talked about how them and Roush had worked 50/50 on the development of their new supercharger. He said with the engineering that goes into the Roush CAI and no tune being required it would not void the warranty.

He also told me that once they get through all the government processes they have a CAI for the 2.3L ready to go and expect it to be available soon. He said the way it works with their part is if there is an engine problem the dealership will determine what caused it. If its the CAI then Ford Performance would need to cover the repairs. If it is not the CAI then Ford honors the warranty. He says either way your covered the exact same, it's just how they split billing internally. So I don't know how that would work then if it's a Roush CAI and the engine blows..

I'm not sure what to do. For now I'm still waiting for my car, they are having a problem getting all the parts. I guess they're still waiting on a fuel pump and a hose.. Once I get the car back it's going into the garage for the rest of the winter. When spring comes I'll check my options again with Roush and Ford Performance. Either way if I buy one of their CAI's I want a guarantee on my service order that it will not void my warranty. If they will no give me that then I'm not going to buy one.

 

[Boosting Stangs]

I forgot to come back and post this a couple weeks ago..

Take it for what it's worth, you can make the calls yourself if you'd like.

I called the Ford customer care line and they couldn't answer my question about warranties in relation to cold air intakes. They transferred me over to a guy at Ford Performance. So I talked to the guy from Ford Performance and he said there would be no issues with warranty and a Roush CAI. He said other brands there could be. He referred to the manual and how it says some intake could void warranty.He then talked about how them and Roush had worked 50/50 on the development of their new supercharger. He said with the engineering that goes into the Roush CAI and no tune being required it would not void the warranty.

He also told me that once they get through all the government processes they have a CAI for the 2.3L ready to go and expect it to be available soon. He said the way it works with their part is if there is an engine problem the dealership will determine what caused it. If its the CAI then Ford Performance would need to cover the repairs. If it is not the CAI then Ford honors the warranty. He says either way your covered the exact same, it's just how they split billing internally. So I don't know how that would work then if it's a Roush CAI and the engine blows..

I'm not sure what to do. For now I'm still waiting for my car, they are having a problem getting all the parts. I guess they're still waiting on a fuel pump and a hose.. Once I get the car back it's going into the garage for the rest of the winter. When spring comes I'll check my options again with Roush and Ford Performance. Either way if I buy one of their CAI's I want a guarantee on my service order that it will not void my warranty. If they will no give me that then I'm not going to buy one.

Not sure if it matters now, but did you know Roush/Yates supported Boostmax and Peddlemax for their Mustangs.
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Don't know if the contributed to the failure but some are wondering if they may have.

 

[Mattrix]

I was told of Roush Yates from a friend at a dealership down south. I did talk to one of their guys and he had heard of another 2.3L blowing like mine but that customer was given a new engine by Ford. That is the customer I've talked about in previous posts. He had both JMS modules, Steeda Throttle Body spacer and a CAI. So his bolts on where the same as mine except probably the CAI. I'm still waiting to hear back from the dealership that this car was repaired at. I'm hoping to find out exact details and perhaps see if that customer would be kind enough to release his service record for that incident to me for use against Ford.

So far I appear to be the only person with one of these engines and this problem that has had the warranty voided. I would love for Ford to stop saying warranty void because of mods and actually blame one specific mod. From there I can then deal with the mod manufacturer and see where I get. I've talked with JMS and they say the mods wouldn't cause the engine to blow. They of course are going to say that though. Now if Ford tells me it was specifically the BoostMax then I can go back to JMS and tell them Ford is laying blame directly on that module and see how they can help.

Unfortunately though Roush Yates is not Roush and they don't warranty the JMS modules or the engines they connect to. Thank you for posting it though, the more info we all have the better off we'll be.

 

[Blk2015GT]

I forgot to come back and post this a couple weeks ago..

Take it for what it's worth, you can make the calls yourself if you'd like.

I called the Ford customer care line and they couldn't answer my question about warranties in relation to cold air intakes. They transferred me over to a guy at Ford Performance. So I talked to the guy from Ford Performance and he said there would be no issues with warranty and a Roush CAI. He said other brands there could be. He referred to the manual and how it says some intake could void warranty.He then talked about how them and Roush had worked 50/50 on the development of their new supercharger. He said with the engineering that goes into the Roush CAI and no tune being required it would not void the warranty.

Talk is cheap, there is a reason he wouldn't ever put that to writing because it's simply not true. Anything can be said over the phone and not ever able to be proven.

Roush's warranties are right here in black and white. http://www.roushperformance.com/pdf/LimitedWarranty.pdf

The ONLY Roush part where they warranty the actual car for is their superchargers (that yes were a combined effort with Ford Performance which is why)

The warranty THEIR PARTS against defects in the product, but not the engine or car on everything else. You're on your own like any aftermarket part if your car blows up.

He also told me that once they get through all the government processes they have a CAI for the 2.3L ready to go and expect it to be available soon. He said the way it works with their part is if there is an engine problem the dealership will determine what caused it. If its the CAI then Ford Performance would need to cover the repairs. If it is not the CAI then Ford honors the warranty. He says either way your covered the exact same, it's just how they split billing internally. So I don't know how that would work then if it's a Roush CAI and the engine blows.

Now THIS part is true. If Ford Performance offers THEIR warranty on the engine then you're covered; I believe its $7,500 or $10k. Something like that, but its 3yr/36k.

Otherwise you are in the same position as any other aftermarket CAI.




It's really a simply concept guys being made much harder than it is. Ford Performance≠Ford Motor Company. Non-OEM part=aftermarket and can possibly cause void warranty. The sole 1 exception being if the aftermarket supplier offers their own warranty on the engine/car to supplant the manufacturer one that was lost (like the supercharger from FRRP/Roush)

 

[RobBaker]

What I find interesting is that Ford keeps slipping their delivery date of their performance tune. Have they recognized there may be a design issue with these 2.3 ecoboost engines? Clearly design engineers that know this platform should be able to put together a performance tune in less than a year. It wouldn’t be the first time a major car company recognized a design issue and attempted to sweep it under a rug. Ford should be building Mustang engines which are capable of performance mods, heck individuals have been molding cars since before the flat head Fords.

Now plug in modules untested by Ford should not be covered under warranty and I understand that but if Ford can’t develop a performance tune in less than a year something is fishy.

I really like my car and its current performance level it’s really a great package. I don’t believe I beat on it like some may on this forum, however I really hope mine stays together, got my fingers crossed.

Ford sorry if you find me stepping on your toes but multiple gaping holes in the side of a new engine blocks has me concerned.

 

[Jewishthunder]

People keep putting things like pedal boosters, and jms parts, and no real tunes, and then are shocked when motors blow. This isn't a warrantable situation. Nor is this fords fault in any way. You put garbage parts on your car, that shouldn't be on there, and get garbage results. Lesson learned hopefully.

 

[Roidrage]

One blown engine came from Tune+. Another from FFTEC. So quality tunes still produce grenades........ The argument of having a quality tune can bypass potential grenades is false.

 

[Mattrix]

Yeah the lesson is don't mod your car unless you can afford to pay for the repairs.

 

[Jewishthunder]

One blown engine came from Tune+. Another from FFTEC. So quality tunes still produce grenades........ The argument of having a quality tune can bypass potential grenades is false.

It's not an end all be all argument, but you're going to see a lot more blown motors with pedal boosters and plug in shit like that, over quality tunes with appropriate mods.

Yeah the lesson is don't mod your car unless you can afford to pay for the repairs.

Amen. A lot of people miss this as the most important lesson. It's going to suck, but if I ever pop my motor by chasing 700whp, I know that I'll be on the hook for the bill. Not ford, because whipple is cool with ford.

 

[347CobraII]

I forgot to come back and post this a couple weeks ago..

Take it for what it's worth, you can make the calls yourself if you'd like.

I called the Ford customer care line and they couldn't answer my question about warranties in relation to cold air intakes. They transferred me over to a guy at Ford Performance. So I talked to the guy from Ford Performance and he said there would be no issues with warranty and a Roush CAI. He said other brands there could be. He referred to the manual and how it says some intake could void warranty.He then talked about how them and Roush had worked 50/50 on the development of their new supercharger. He said with the engineering that goes into the Roush CAI and no tune being required it would not void the warranty.

He also told me that once they get through all the government processes they have a CAI for the 2.3L ready to go and expect it to be available soon. He said the way it works with their part is if there is an engine problem the dealership will determine what caused it. If its the CAI then Ford Performance would need to cover the repairs. If it is not the CAI then Ford honors the warranty. He says either way your covered the exact same, it's just how they split billing internally. So I don't know how that would work then if it's a Roush CAI and the engine blows..

I'm not sure what to do. For now I'm still waiting for my car, they are having a problem getting all the parts. I guess they're still waiting on a fuel pump and a hose.. Once I get the car back it's going into the garage for the rest of the winter. When spring comes I'll check my options again with Roush and Ford Performance. Either way if I buy one of their CAI's I want a guarantee on my service order that it will not void my warranty. If they will no give me that then I'm not going to buy one.

Believe what you want. Sounds like you trying to say Ford performance and Roush are one in the same when there not. Ask for that in writing

 

[Blk2015GT]

Believe what you want. Sounds like you trying to say Ford performance and Roush are one in the same when there not. Ask for that in writing

Agreed just as I posted too. Will be a very expensive $7-8k mistake.

Idk why people are so stubborn, it's fairly simple in reality.

It's really a simply concept guys being made much harder than it is. Ford Performance≠Ford Motor Company. Non-OEM part=aftermarket and can possibly cause void warranty. The sole 1 exception being if the aftermarket supplier offers their own warranty on the engine/car to supplant the manufacturer one that was lost (like the supercharger from FRRP/Roush)

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