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[Boss]

Ford really should have made the Voodoo engine, magneride suspension, and carbon fiber wheels standard and kept the price around 30k...........

Seriously, Ford has to build a car to make money and you do that by moving as many units as possible. If they start adding more expensive parts the cost goes up and that can instantly eliminate a huge portion of potential buyers. As it stands now you are buying a car with performance that you would have to be fairly rich to buy 10 years ago.

There has always been two points to the Mustang; A) Sell an attractive car with solid performance that the average person can afford and have fun in. B) Sell a solid performing car for a good price that the gear head can use as a starting platform to build a car they can tweak into whatever they want.

You have to remember that adding better/more expensive parts to a car from the factory doesn't drive the price of just your car up, it drives the price of all cars in that product line up. Ford isn't going out and buying one set of parts for each vehicle they are building they are buying everything in bulk to keep cost down overall and make building them more efficient.

They buy $5 (made up number) worth of better bushings per vehicle and sell 100k of the mustang, that translates $500k cost. Averaging all mustang sales to around 30k per car (including GT, ecos, and v6) that's another 167 cars you need to sell. Now, you figure that they aren't tacking $5 more onto each car because you don't make money by selling things at cost, they're gonna tack $10 on each car because standard business is to charge at least 50% more than what it costs you. That doubles 167 cars to 334 cars. Next thing you need to realize they're not making $30k on each car, I have no idea the actual cost for Ford is but we'll say $15k, now the number jumps to 668 more cars need to be sold.

Sure, in the grand scheme 668 car more doesn't seem like a lot but thats just from adding $5 more to a car for one specific part. Imagine upgrading a ton of parts to a car and jumping the base price of a car up $1000, the cars they need to sell jumps astronomically.

My point is that they need to draw the line somewhere to hit a price point that will move units. You can see this with things like keeping the classic prop rod instead of hood struts or using cheaper, heavy wheels. You could argue that they could have put a skimpy interior in the car an increased the performance but then the average person would probably not buy the car because the interior looks awful whereas that same person probably doesn't car that they have to use a prop rod a few times a year.

Have you owned / driven a Boss? The retail price of the bracket that would have saved Ford from replacing hundreds of transmissions,100 RETAIL PRICE. the carrier bearing(2 piece drive shaft) on the Boss,inadequate and fails regularly (the vibration between 50 and 70,that's it).....nobody is asking Ford to sacrifice profit,but advertising these cars as street/track capable is laughable,unless you have deep pockets or sponsors

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[racer24crm]

You would have hated the 12/13 Boss,other than the engine,they cheaped out on almost every other piece...... That shit sifter,two piece drive shaft(I went through 3 in 30k miles)2 pinion seals....not to mention the countless owners with blown MT-82's. The 12/13Boss was 6k over a GT ....a lot to pay for forged internals and a stripe package

All that being said when you pushed your right foot down you forgot all about the small problems that warranty fixed.....that engine IS A BEAST

Have you owned / driven a Boss? The retail price of the bracket that would have saved Ford from replacing hundreds of transmissions,100 RETAIL PRICE. the carrier bearing(2 piece drive shaft) on the Boss,inadequate and fails regularly (the vibration between 50 and 70,that's it).....nobody is asking Ford to sacrifice profit,but advertising these cars as street/track capable is laughable,unless you have deep pockets or sponsors

The logic still applies though. They only sold 8000 TOTAL Boss 302s, the cost to upgrade everything justified the $6k price bump. Sure, they could have put a better transmission in and maybe they should have but then they would have to spend a ton of money just to buy 8000 transmissions, train employees, retool the plants, etc. It would drive the price up even more and then your entering corvette/BMW/any other higher performance car territory for a model that isn't meant to sell at those volumes.

Why spend the money on a new transmission for a car at the end of its lifecycle when you have a new model in the pipeline 2 years away and new transmissions also in the pipeline that are going to be used in even more vehicles due out 5 years down the road. If they intended to sell 100k of the Boss then sure, maybe go for it, but not for 8000.

 

[Optimum Performance]

...and the GT PP does everything better than the Boss while having more content and no $6K price bump. The Boss is an awesome car, it proved out everything Ford needed to do to make a regular production car as good as the current one is. Everything that made the Boss great is in the current production model. A 300A GT PP with Recaro's ticks every box the Boss did, for $33K (real world prices).

 

[Boss]

You misunderstood my point,Ford could have saved themselves a lot of headaches by adding a cheap fix to a production car....what's cheaper for them fixing and replacing(some cars more than one fix)transmissions or adding a part so the transmission don't fail? After one of my fellow Boss owners had his transmission fixed and then replaced I decided to sell mine. The 16 PP is a solid replacement.

Nobody is asking for a perfect car for under 50k(Canadian)but they do expect a car marketed for moderate track use to hold up more than 20k miles before replacing the transmission. A simple shifter bracket could have solved the problem.... Ford R&D has got to be better than that. The car aftermarket, both factory and retail has been around for as long as people have been racing. My issue is not with replacing parts with higher performance pieces,that is the owners choice. My issue is having to replace a factory piece because its insufficient to do the job.

 

[racer24crm]

...and the GT PP does everything better than the Boss while having more content and no $6K price bump. The Boss is an awesome car, it proved out everything Ford needed to do to make a regular production car as good as the current one is. Everything that made the Boss great is in the current production model. A 300A GT PP with Recaro's ticks every box the Boss did, for $33K (real world prices).

The engine improvements are not exactly the same, there's a comparison thread between the 2015+ coyote versus the Boss engine somewhere on this forum, however, it is very similar. The R and D on the boss help cut costs for our cars for sure. Plus, we have a independent rear suspension now that is shared in the Ford Fleet which helps performance and cost at the same time. Ford had pretty much perfected the live rear axle by the time they made the Boss but there is only so much you can do with that ancient technology. I would bet that if you put a live rear in our cars and put it up against the boss around the track the boss would win.

Also, our cars were intended to move a lot more units so they could keep the cost down compared to paying for a limited edition and potential collector's car. Even though our cars are cheaper than a Boss was they are still 2 to 3 grand more expensive than the outgoing Mustang GT across the board.

 

[Lost]

You test drove it before you bought it.......... right?

I'm sure there is a Chevy dealership down the road.

 

[Boss]

Lol,I bought another Ford,Boss market was good when I sold, I'm content. The Boss engine is the base of the Gen2 coyote,the only thing I miss is the 7k+ redline,nothing aftermarket parts and money can't fix.

 

[racer24crm]

Lol,I bought another Ford,Boss market was good when I sold, I'm content. The Boss engine is the base of the Gen2 coyote,the only thing I miss is the 7k+ redline,nothing aftermarket parts and money can't fix.

I think he was asking the OP, haha. It's hard to say why they didn't upgrade the transmission. I'm sure money had something to do with it or they may have justified it by using the Boss as the testing grounds for what was going into the new mustang coyote. No offense, but seeing a few people with MT-82 problems on the forums doesn't mean that every car equipped with one has destroyed its transmission. I'm willing to bet that a very small percentage of all cars sold and even a very small percent of the last Boss sold have problems. Any car from any manufacturer is going to have problems and even complete lemons but that doesn't mean the product line as a whole is a problem.

Ford engineered the Boss and our cars on the track and were most likely beating up on them harder than any of us have and they didn't seem to think they needed to make changes.

I'm enjoying this discussion :cheers:

 

[Optimum Performance]

The engine improvements are not exactly the same, there's a comparison thread between the 2015+ coyote versus the Boss engine somewhere on this forum, however, it is very similar. The R and D on the boss help cut costs for our cars for sure. Plus, we have a independent rear suspension now that is shared in the Ford Fleet which helps performance and cost at the same time. Ford had pretty much perfected the live rear axle by the time they made the Boss but there is only so much you can do with that ancient technology. I would bet that if you put a live rear in our cars and put it up against the boss around the track the boss would win.

Also, our cars were intended to move a lot more units so they could keep the cost down compared to paying for a limited edition and potential collector's car. Even though our cars are cheaper than a Boss was they are still 2 to 3 grand more expensive than the outgoing Mustang GT across the board.

Yes, no forged pistons so more conservative red line, more streetable intake (would have been cool if the PP cars used a boss intake with forged internals etc.) I stated in 2014 that if they offered a PP like the 1LE I would have happily paid $5K for that option. But PP's are mass market and GM built a tiny percentage of 1LE's over the lifespan of then previous gen Camaro.

The 2015's increased very little. My 2014 I never got and the 2015 I did. It was only about 700-800 more for identical cars. :cheers: I'm much happier with the car built just for me

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