Coyote Generations Tech article

[gadgtfreek]

I do agree with the comments about the NA version. If you look at the Dodge's and Chevys that are NA, the 5.0 hangs in there 0-60 and qtr mile wise with much larger displacement motors.

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[GreenS550]

I can remember when I had about a thousand miles on my Bullitt,as I live in a very remote area of the upper peninsula of Michigan, there's a stretch that has no driveways, no houses, and no people of at least five miles. I was absolutely amazed as I watch the speedometer climb up to 147 miles an hour naturally aspirated and still pulling. When I hit 130 I just couldn't believe the car was still accelerating fairly decent when I hit 147 I let off the gas thinking I must be nuts and it was very little float in the suspension. My only concern was hitting a deer or a bear or a cougar or a wolf. But it pulled right up to Red line in every gear unlike my 16 which kind of fizzles out at about 6,500.

A fantastic engine weather blown or naturally aspirated. Looking very much forward to the Mach One with a tremec in it.

 

[MRGTX]

Excellent article. I learned a lot!
I was particularly interested to learn about a few aspects of the 2011 motor that were unique. I knew about the oil squirters vs. the plasma coating but there were a few other changes that I didn't know about. For whatever it's worth, my June 2010 build 2011 GT was absolutely flawless with a *gasp* Bama tune and constant "enthusiastic" driving for 40k miles at the time that I sold it. I LOVED that engine!

I was also surprised to hear that the gen 2 had some significant drawbacks as I always had the impression that these were the best of the three for making big power numbers on stock internals.

Did I miss it or was there not a peep about the infamous "typewriter tick?" My 2011 and my 2020 sound exactly the same in that regard.

 

[Jackson1320]

My only nit to pick, the Trinity 5.8 wasn't a Coyote, but an evolution of the 5.4 GT500 engine.

Good info otherwise.

They mean a coyote variant

 

[Jackson1320]

Excellent article. I learned a lot!
I was particularly interested to learn about a few aspects of the 2011 motor that were unique. I knew about the oil squirters vs. the plasma coating but there were a few other changes that I didn't know about. For whatever it's worth, my June 2010 build 2011 GT was absolutely flawless with a *gasp* Bama tune and constant "enthusiastic" driving for 40k miles at the time that I sold it. I LOVED that engine!

I was also surprised to hear that the gen 2 had some significant drawbacks as I always had the impression that these were the best of the three for making big power numbers on stock internals.

Did I miss it or was there not a peep about the infamous "typewriter tick?" My 2011 and my 2020 sound exactly the same in that regard.

The gen2 and the gen3 can hold about the same power stock

 

[Jackson1320]

It was a lot of good information and some miss information

 

[MRGTX]

The gen2 and the gen3 can hold about the same power stock

which is to say; ridiculous power.

The short head bolts seem to be a worry on the Gen2...first I heard of that so maybe it’s not a huge deal?

 

[Mustang_Lou]

It was a lot of good information and some miss information

Yeah, not 100% confident on that story. First, the "Coyote" name is used for GT350 and GT500 references and then under the Gen3 section it says " Despite all of its performance modifications and the addition of port fuel injection" ... The Gen3 had the addition of DIRECT injection, not port.

A good read overall (for as far as I got before I got turned off with the mistakes anyway).

 

[GreenS550]

It was a very interesting read. And in every single article there aren't any accuracies. I mean dealt with the press myself many times, I don't ever remember an article where I was quoted accurately. That said when was deciding to put a supercharger on my 2018 Mustang, I called and spoke with Whipple at Great length as I had installed one on my Bullitt a year before. I think it may have been Dustin but I'm not sure who told me that he thought the Gen 2 engines were stronger than the Gen 3 for supercharging. I don't have any more details than that.

 

[Bullitt0819]

I have a sneaking suspicion we can all thank Mulally for the Coyote.

I wish to hell he was still running Ford (Boeing probably wishes he was still there, too). Possibly they wouldn't have all the launch problems.

 

[Chadillac]

The Gen I 5.0L Coyote engine was able to create as much power as a 6.4L Hemi with a significantly smaller displacement.

I don’t think it did... wasn’t the 392 rated at 485hp?

 

[Jackson1320]

A good read overall (for as far as I got before I got turned off with the mistakes anyway).

Agreed

 

[Jackson1320]

I don’t think it did... wasn’t the 392 rated at 485hp?

I think they mean with modifications it can. Not sure though

 

[Jackson1320]

It was a very interesting read. And in every single article there aren't any accuracies. I mean dealt with the press myself many times, I don't ever remember an article where I was quoted accurately. That said when was deciding to put a supercharger on my 2018 Mustang, I called and spoke with Whipple at Great length as I had installed one on my Bullitt a year before. I think it may have been Dustin but I'm not sure who told me that he thought the Gen 2 engines were stronger than the Gen 3 for supercharging. I don't have any more details than that.

Gen2 and gen3 use the same rods, pistons, crank, bearings. Both pistons are about the same strength. Now the gen3 cylinder coating is a problem but gen2 cylinder blows apart under high cylinder pressure like supercharger or turbo or even nitrous sometimes. So I would say that the bottom end is equal. You can use any gen bottom end in any year coyote car very easily

 

[Jackson1320]

which is to say; ridiculous power.

The short head bolts seem to be a worry on the Gen2...first I heard of that so maybe it’s not a huge deal?

Gen2 head bolts are not a issue until 1000+ hp. When I build a gen2 I have it drilled and tapped for gen1 head bolts