Covid Shots

[CJJon]

Except for this one, at least until about a week ago. The general consensus was that this vaccine wouldn't prevent you from spreading Covid. That only changed very recently.

Not getting vaccinated allows covid to keep spreading and will prolong the pandemic, which makes it worse for us all. This is especially important now with more and more variants coming out.

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[sk47]

Because much is not known about the natural immunity from covid and it varies wildly. Which has been stated before.

Hello; Again cannot the same be said about the vaccines. They have been tested under short term emergency conditions and by definition are not yet fully vetted. It is also my understanding there is variance with the vaccine response.

At least one of the goals way back was to get to herd immunity. 70 to 90%, you pick. It seems to me those with natural immunity ought to be protected at some level better than those who have not yet been infected and not yet have been vaccinated.
Tens of thousands have recovered naturally which should help with reaching herd immunity and allow more people to get vaccinated sooner.
So will only giving one vaccine shot to all that will take them and not doing two. That gives protection to twice as many with the current number of doses of vaccine available.

 

[sk47]

They use the dunning-kruger effect... days.

Hello; well at least you are calling us fancy names. Still insulting tho.

 

[BlackandBlue]

Not getting vaccinated allows covid to keep spreading and will prolong the pandemic, which makes it worse for us all. This is especially important now with more and more variants coming out.

Seems like if that was the case patient right would be waived to allow poorer counties to produce the vaccines. That is not the case though. Also the hatchet job on the lowest prices western vaccine is an interesting development.

Do you work for or have you ever taken any form of compensation from a company that produces pharmaceutical products?

 

[Hobohunter]

Who on here who are peeved at people not vaccinati

Not getting vaccinated allows covid to keep spreading and will prolong the pandemic, which makes it worse for us all. This is especially important now with more and more variants coming out.

The point of my post was that for the majority of time this vaccine has been approved the consensus was that vaccinated people would still spread it, which you can imagine would prolong the pandemic...

If that was still the consensus I wouldn't have bothered to get my first dose a few days ago. What would the point have been, if all I would have been doing was lower an already miniscule risk of serious complications from this disease? Please note that I am not downgrading the seriousness of Covid, just that it's not particularly hazardous to me.

 

[CJJon]

Hello; well at least you are calling us fancy names. Still insulting tho.

But it is the truth.

 

[sk47]

But it is the truth.

Hello; Problem is that until I figured out the initials included in the post I thought he had you pegged to a T.

 

[CJJon]

Hello; Problem is that until I figured out the initials included in the post I thought he had you pegged to a T.

Yep. Because that is how clueless you seem to be. All the answers you seek are here, you just have to put in some effort and stop being so contrary. Again, you are the one with demonstrably wrong ideas about things (which you gloss over or ignore).

You really are someone who can't be reached.

 

[CJJon]

Who on here who are peeved at people not vaccinati

The point of my post was that for the majority of time this vaccine has been approved the consensus was that vaccinated people would still spread it, which you can imagine would prolong the pandemic...

If that was still the consensus I wouldn't have bothered to get my first dose a few days ago. What would the point have been, if all I would have been doing was lower an already miniscule risk of serious complications from this disease? Please note that I am not downgrading the seriousness of Covid, just that it's not particularly hazardous to me.

It is true that it is thought that those that have been vaccinated can shed virus. It does not make you immune. That sill doesn't mean we should not get vaccinated.

Everyone's miniscule risk turns into 500,000+ of us dead and the health care system crushed.

 

[CJJon]

Seems like if that was the case patient right would be waived to allow poorer counties to produce the vaccines. That is not the case though. Also the hatchet job on the lowest prices western vaccine is an interesting development.

Do you work for or have you ever taken any form of compensation from a company that produces pharmaceutical products?

Ohh, I missed this! Absolutely not! All faculty that I use disclose any relevant financial conflicts of interest. Out of thousands of them, there have been a handful that had anything to disclose, yet alone a conflicts.

This is a sensitive issue for me and one I pride myself on (as does our team). We are not funded by any outside interest, no vendor fees, consulting fees, etc. Zero. We practice unbiased, evidence-based medicine.

 

[Hobohunter]

It is true that it is thought that those that have been vaccinated can shed virus. It does not make you immune. That sill doesn't mean we should not get vaccinated.

Everyone's miniscule risk turns into 500,000+ of us dead and the health care system crushed.

How many of those 500k+ had truly miniscule risk? As far as I know the majority of deaths have been older people who had more significant risk. The numbers that have died that had actual miniscule risk have been..appropriately miniscule. Then number of 20s and 30s in great health who died of Covid have been significantly less than 60+ with health conditions.

If those who have been vaccinated will still shed the virus, then what does the vaccination do to help prevent the spread of the virus?

My point isn't that the vaccine isn't a good idea, it's that if it doesn't prevent you from spreading virus, then what point does it serve for someone who isn't at high risk of death from Covid complications? If you are at elevated risk of death from Covid, then a vaccine that lowers that risk but doesn't prevent spread makes a hell of a lot of sense. The converse isn't true. If you are already at low risk and will still spread the virus, then you've just wasted a vaccine that someone at higher risk can use, you haven't done anything to help overall recovery.

 

[BlackandBlue]

Ohh, I missed this! Absolutely not! All faculty that I use disclose any relevant financial conflicts of interest. Out of thousands of them, there have been a handful that had anything to disclose, yet alone a conflicts.

This is a sensitive issue for me and one I pride myself on (as does our team). We are not funded by any outside interest, no vendor fees, consulting fees, etc. Zero. We practice unbiased, evidence-based medicine.

Good to hear. There is a lot of profit to be made in this vaccine front and while everything looks good with the vaccines so far, capitalism is a very strong force in shaping public opinion about this product. I think the AZ vaccine is being hatched right now because of its low price.

I do think that vaccinating as quickly as possible should be the goal for the entire planet but even optimist estimated put 50% at 2023. I just have a real worry we don’t know what we are dealing with from a pure evolutionary standpoint.

The question I pose is this - If information comes to light that we are creating a super bug though vaccination pressure, will be double down or except our fate of natural herd immunity?

 

[sk47]

Yep. Because that is how clueless you seem to be. All the answers you seek are here, you just have to put in some effort and stop being so contrary. Again, you are the one with demonstrably wrong ideas about things (which you gloss over or ignore).

You really are someone who can't be reached.

Hello; From you I take the comments as a compliment since you get things so backwards.
So back to the insults and name calling.

 

[sk47]

[QUOTE="Hobohunter, post: 3185171, member: 41003"
My point isn't that the vaccine isn't a good idea, it's that if it doesn't prevent you from spreading virus, then what point does it serve for someone who isn't at high risk of death from Covid complications? If you are at elevated risk of death from Covid, then a vaccine that lowers that risk but doesn't prevent spread makes a hell of a lot of sense. The converse isn't true. If you are already at low risk and will still spread the virus, then you've just wasted a vaccine that someone at higher risk can use, you haven't done anything to help overall recovery.
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Hello; I get your point. Very good question.

 

[CJJon]

Hello; From you I take the comments as a compliment since you get things so backwards.
So back to the insults and name calling.

Fttt. You are still wrong though. You are even wrong about name calling. You are clueless, it’s a fact...Not gratuitous name calling.

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