Chinese Transmission

[mustangfamily03]

Yeah, I got ya. It is easy to complain, I hear people do it all day long. But then again many people complain all day at work for some reason.

My favorite thing is when someone sees the interior, render, or perhaps anything that is incomplete and needs more information or photos to make a sound judgement about the S550 and they are : "OMG!!!! It looks the same as the S197!! I don't like that!! I will never buy that car!!" LOL

I bet I could post a Mustang II with HIDs, Sequential Tail Lights, 19 inch wheels, and a d!ldo for an antenna and someone would say " I can't believe Ford would even think about making something like that, I'm gonna go buy a Slomaro!"

Then the ones that defend the Mustang to the death say: "I love it, that d!ldo antenna really sets the mood late at night!" LOL j/k

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[Red]

Thanks for that info, RTD. My concern about the linkage in the current Mustang is that the shifter body is attached to the body of the car, while the trans will rotate and translate due to torque produced by the engine. So, basically, the shifter and linkage are moving relative to the trans, and more so as things get more 'spirited'. I would think that's a recipe for missed shifts, frankly. The engineers at Ford probably have it figured it, but, man, I just remain very skeptical over it.

My thought has been that shifts might be improved by going to harder engine and trans mounts. I'd never heard of the Whiteline bushing, so I looked it up and it is indeed a firmer trans mount bushing.

Let me/us know how it works out for you, if you don't mind. I'm very interested to hear. Depending on how the S550 shakes out, I may still get a 12-13 Boss and so I'm very interested to hear your experience.

Well, as an aside, I'm taking today off to work on my old Capri. Have some welding to do to get a torque arm on the 9" rear housing. Beautiful day outside, so I can raise the garage door and just have a little fun -- something that's been in damn short supply for the past 25 +/- years. Later.

Bill

 

[mustangfamily03]

Thanks for that info, RTD. My concern about the linkage in the current Mustang is that the shifter body is attached to the body of the car, while the trans will rotate and translate due to torque produced by the engine. So, basically, the shifter and linkage are moving relative to the trans, and more so as things get more 'spirited'. I would think that's a recipe for missed shifts, frankly. The engineers at Ford probably have it figured it, but, man, I just remain very skeptical over it.

My thought has been that shifts might be improved by going to harder engine and trans mounts. I'd never heard of the Whiteline bushing, so I looked it up and it is indeed a firmer trans mount bushing.

Let me/us know how it works out for you, if you don't mind. I'm very interested to hear. Depending on how the S550 shakes out, I may still get a 12-13 Boss and so I'm very interested to hear your experience.

Well, as an aside, I'm taking today off to work on my old Capri. Have some welding to do to get a torque arm on the 9" rear housing. Beautiful day outside, so I can raise the garage door and just have a little fun -- something that's been in damn short supply for the past 25 +/- years. Later.

Bill

I have a buddy with a '13 Boss and it seems legit. The trans was similar to my GT, but felt a tad bit firmer. I assume any issues with the trans - linkage was identified early on, TSB'd, and fixed for further production. I haven't heard anyone complaining about the '13, '14 trans in the GTs.

Ok, I understand SOMEONE may have had an issue, but so far I haven't heard it yet.

But anyways, I am pleased with the trans, I just always liked the clunky Tremecs because it had more feel, thats all.

 

[Red]

I could go drone on about work-related stuff. If it wasn't pretty important stuff, actually, it would be comical. How some people land in the jobs they do, w/ the backgrounds they don't have, is beyond me.

 

[Red]

Yes, I like a heavy feel to a trans too. Good 'talking' w/ you, but I've got a date w/ an old girl.

Bill

 

[Tony Alonso]

Having re-read my own post I realized the cost is the only reason they didn't use the Tremec...:doh:

I've read weight and packaging concerns were also part of the reasons.

 

[Bullitt3980]

Whiners have been complaining about Mustang manuals forever--my ,01 Bullitt got recalled to replace the factory fluid with Dexron. When cold it can be a little hard to get into second-and when I say cold I'm talking the outside temp. If you are not paying attention the shift from 2nd to 3rd will be missed on WOT

 

[Red]

Thanks for the feedback about the trans mount, mustangfam.

Bullitt: in my experience, admittedly limited, many manual trans are a little slow/hard to shift when cold. I imagine it's due to the lube being thicker/more viscous when cold, and then being harder/slower to squeegee out from between the blocker rings and gear cones when shifting. It always disappears after just a minute or two, for me, and I pay no attention to it (forces patience! ). If the behavior exists after the trans has warmed up, and exists only when the ambient air temp is below some level, then, yeah, I'd play w/ different lubes (additive packages make a huge difference).

Bill

 

[Bullitt3980]

Your right Red it does go away after a few km's

 

[bmwdad]

I read that the manual will have hill assist, has anyone read about the manual having rev match? Thanks

 

[thePill]

The Getrag is one of the best manuals I have owned. It was notchy when cold but some Royal Purple fixed that.

I'll admit, the bracket is poor quality and can cause deflection in 2nd and 3rd sometimes. It can also cause you to miss 3rd... So, get a Barton. A Barton/Getrag is by far the best combo I have used EVER. A HUGE advantage the MT82 (6MT1500( is the weight savings and strength. The linkage was changed out on Job 2 for the GT's and didn't change the V6's until 2012 or '13. It wasn't prefect, but a 3.66 1st gear and only one overdrive goes a long way.1st gear is a still stout 3.657.

The transmission weighs 109lbs wet (TR6060 weighs over 160lbs). Also, it is rated a 390tq @ almost 10,000lbs. The TR6060 is rated at 430 @ 3860...

This is the 2nd Gen MT82 I believe... I am sure Gen 2 is far better. The difference between a TR6060 M10 and an TR6060 MH6.

I need to confirm this but, this is indeed the 2nd Gen Coyote ya' know, more than likely the Getrag received some upgrades as well...

Lets talk about the NEW forged connecting rods, crank, new heads, 12mm/13mm lift (11 on Gen 1), oil cooler and all before Gen 3's DI

 

[Grimace427]

Gear ratios are a major consideration and the Tremec simply does not match the Coyote and Cyclone's revvy powerband. Not everyone wants to run noisy 4.10/4.30 rear gears to get the performance out of the Tremec like they get out of the Getrag/3.73 gear combination.

Likely the biggest cause for the MT-82 issues that plauge the internet was the fluid which was not the perfect match to the internals in the trans. Swapping out to stuff like Redline MTL or BG Syncro Shift II alleviated many cold-shift issues people complained about.

Also as others mentioned the high-rev performance issues are more attibuted to the clutch/shift linkage that were easily fixed with a few small aftermarket parts like the stainless clutch line and upgraded shifter bracket.

 

[RTD]

The Getrag is one of the best manuals I have owned. It was notchy when cold but some Royal Purple fixed that.

I'll admit, the bracket is poor quality and can cause deflection in 2nd and 3rd sometimes. It can also cause you to miss 3rd... So, get a Barton. A Barton/Getrag is by far the best combo I have used EVER. A HUGE advantage the MT82 (6MT1500( is the weight savings and strength. The linkage was changed out on Job 2 for the GT's and didn't change the V6's until 2012 or '13. It wasn't prefect, but a 3.66 1st gear and only one overdrive goes a long way.1st gear is a still stout 3.657.

The transmission weighs 109lbs wet (TR6060 weighs over 160lbs). Also, it is rated a 390tq @ almost 10,000lbs. The TR6060 is rated at 430 @ 3860...

This is the 2nd Gen MT82 I believe... I am sure Gen 2 is far better. The difference between a TR6060 M10 and an TR6060 MH6.

I need to confirm this but, this is indeed the 2nd Gen Coyote ya' know, more than likely the Getrag received some upgrades as well...

That new Whiteline bushing insert seems to fix the 3rd gear lockout and overall difficulty shifting at high RPM (I haven't installed it yet, next year). If they resolved that and upgraded the bracket and linkage, I can see it being a huge improvement.

The other weak point seems to be the input shaft, particularly on blown cars.

Lets talk about the NEW forged connecting rods, crank, new heads, 12mm/13mm lift (11 on Gen 1), oil cooler and all before Gen 3's DI

From my reading of the limited info, it seems the 2015 is getting the exhaust cams from the Boss and the intake cams from the Cobra Jet (which were originally intended for the Boss but dropped for cost reasons). Also, Ford seems to have replicated the Boss head in a production process without requiring a manual CNC step. Good stuff.

 

[Grimace427]

The other weak point seems to be the input shaft, particularly on blown cars.

I've only heard of one person destroying the input shaft and that was an 800+hp Kenne Bell Boss 302(actually broke two).

 

[David Young]

Every manual transmission i have ever used, Ford, Audi, VW and GM, have 'all' had a slight 'grind' when shifting from 1st to 2nd gear.

I read the 2015 will have a different linkage, this might take care of some of the shifting problems. Maybe?

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