C8=S650 Tell Ford What You Want

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  1. jacknifetoaswan

    jacknifetoaswan Well-Known Member

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    I don't think the drag car piece is as egregious as people thinking that, with some amount of money and parts, the car is going to handle like a Miata or a Lotus Evora. It's just not going to happen. The cars are too big, and weigh too much. Will a race-prepped, stripped, caged, Mustang handle better than a stock Miata? Yes. Will it be faster? Yes. Will it have climate control, a stereo, airbags, cushy seats, lane-departure warnings, etc, etc, etc? No. But the Miata will. Will a similarly race-prepped Miata out handle a race-prepped Mustang on a road course? Yes. Will it be faster? No. At that point, it's still a function of weight and power, but the Mustang will out-power most Miatas, unless you're going for a max-effort build.

    Anyway, yes, these cars are meant to go fast, soak up a bunch of miles in a comfortable manner, and deliver a measure of on-track performance. The Aston Martin DB11 is a Grand Tourer. In V12 guise, it has over 600 horsepower, but it's more than 400 pounds heavier than the Vantage, which is a Sports Car, and despite having *only* 500 horsepower, will be faster than the DB11.

    JR
     
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    500 hp, 5.2L V8, CPC.
    Weight reduction.
    DCT.
    Still room to fit someone tall.
    285/295 Square setup from the factory.
     
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    You do realize that "GT" is......a big badge right on the decklid......right? And yes, a Mustang is luxurious and can sustain high speeds. That's, like, exactly what it does.

    What the car IS NOT, is a sports car. It's waaaaaaaaaaaaay too big & heavy.

    This isn't personal opinion. It's reality and fact.
     
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    An NSX is heavier and is a sportscar.

    Please provide the binding definition and group that determines what a sportscar or GT car is. It's all semantics and a waste of time. Unless you just like arguing with strangers on the internet.
     
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    The Mustang is a sportscar, convince me I'm wrong.

    What he said.
     
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    The Mustang clearly says "GT" on the back. Convince me Ford is wrong.

    And then convince me a 4000lb, 4-seater, soft, comfortable car is a "Sports Car".
     
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    That's the government's pigeon-hole description of the car. Let's just ignore the government, they're a bunch of morons.
     
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    Man alot of superiority complex going on in here.

    LOL
     
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    Number of seats, usually.
     
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    As my daughter says, “I’m not always right, but I’m never wrong”.
     
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    Some people sound like some Jaguar driving putz whining they pronounce the name of their car wrong......
     
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    I agree and so does the dictionary. I’ve always considered a “sports car to be a true 2 seater.
     
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    You both are wrong try tell the insurance companies a Mustang isnt a sports car.......

    And with that your honor I rest my case.....
     
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    It's funny to me how quickly we get off track in almost every thread.

    Personally I would love to see Heads Up Display on the Mustang, that would be very nice indeed.
     
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    Hey, that’s not nice. I used to be one of those Jaguar driving putz’s. I was schooled by my dealer about how to pronounce it. No such issue with my Ford dealer. :like:
     
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    I'm bored, so:
    "Usually". -"Historically" sportscars are 2 OR 2+2 seaters. So by that definition, it can be considered a sportscar.

    The first Mustang was a straight-6 and the first V8 was not called a "GT". So the GT designation has nothing to do with the chassis and platform of the car. Mustangs have been I-6, V8, V6 and I-4s. So are you arguing the "Gran Touring" label is engine dependent?

    A Lotus Esprit started life as an I-4 and ended life as a badass TT V8. I don't think anyone would disqualify it as a sportscar because it had an I-4.

    GT cars have "historically" been expensive and fast luxury cars. The Mustang is not expensive, it's an affordable car. The Mustang is not luxurious, by modern standards it does not compare to luxury brands like Lexus, Aston Martin, Ferrari, Bentley. That's not to say that it can't go 150mph (and not much faster) or not comfortable with leather seats, but it does not fit the classic description defined by the category:

    "The grand touring definition implies material differences in performance, speed, comfort, and amenities between elite automobiles and those of ordinary motorists."

    Due to the production numbers and affordability, Mustangs are "ordinary motorist vehicles".
     
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    +1 here. I just went from headlight to tail light and, quite frankly, I find my car almost perfect.
     
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    A bigger gas tank
    Stiffen up the chassis
    Shed some pounds
    Make it a hybrid and get some power to the front wheels
    550 HP NA DOHC
    HUD would be cool
    You can have an optional DCT, but keep the stick option for we Luddites
     
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