Buy Back Options if Engine Replacement Needed?

[merlin803]

Here you go. Good luck!
https://www.michigan.gov/ag/consumer-protection/consumer-alerts/consumer-alerts/auto/lemon-law

Thanks. I'll likely give them a chance to fix the car if they can get something done in the next couple of weeks but other than that, if it gets past a month, then I may have to look into the buy back/lemon law. It's my daily driver, it's not like I just drive it on the weekends.

Kind of screwed either way I guess. I would hope even if they replaced the engine that it would run normally afterwards but on the other hand, I don't trust them to even do an oil change properly & I assume the resale value also would take a hit if the engine is replaced.

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[Cobra Jet]

I have another post regarding the engine misfires that started on my car a couple of weeks ago but wanted to start a new thread because the dealership is now requesting a new engine from Ford (not sure yet if it will be approved).

I have had the car for about 8 months and it has about 8,000 miles on it.

Long story short is that a few weeks ago I took it in for an oil change (and they found the trans fluid to be a couple quarts low and filled it) and the next week out of nowhere it barely starts and was sputtering all over the place, with the engine light on and cylinder misfire codes.

I took it in and they "re-programmed the PCM" with a "new calibration". It seemed to drive ok for a few days and then the engine trouble started again.

Back to the dealership in limp mode on Dec. 1st....today they said they have tried several things (I could not get more details) but they are requesting an engine replacement from Ford.

I barely trust these guys to change the oil, let alone replace an engine on a car only several months old. Is a buyback an option? I think in MI there is something like a 30 day "lemon" law and I would be shocked if we didn't hit that. Looking for some advice. TIA

Lemon Laws vary by State.

- Some there is a 30-consecutive day policy where the car must be at the Service Center inop for 30-consecutive days.
- Other States there is a 30-day ruling that stipulates the vehicle has been in/out of the Service Center 30 calendar days within a year.
- Then there is the 3-strike rule where the car has been in the Service Center 3x for the same repair that has not been rectified.
- Plus there is a time period policy too, where the Buy Back or Lemon Claim has to be initiated no later than 12-24mos of the purchase date of the vehicle and within IIRC 24k miles. The intervals vary by State.

If you do a search on here using the following terms:
Ford RAV
Ford Buy Back
Lemon Law
MSRP to MSRP
Buy Back
Vehicle Replacement
Vehicle Refund
RAV worksheet
RAV Damages

Ford and Ford RAV has to follow the Lemon Law provisions and policies outlined by your Home State. Ford cannot and will not deviate from the State Lemon Laws.

Any fees imposed or collected are based on the Home State Lemon Laws, not Ford or ANY Vehicle Manufacturer. Any money owed on an open loan will get resolved during the Buy Back process.

Best advice I give everyone who is doing a Ford Buy Back, or is thinking of it - go to your Home State’s Lemon Law website, either DMV or State Attorney General .gov site. Do not use a 3rd party website for Lemon Law info. You MUST be aware of your Home State’s Lemon laws and the “rights” afforded to the Consumer in that State.

You'll find a lot of info that will help to understand the process and will help with your situation and easily get you through the process. I've posted quite a bit regarding that process, even including hypothetical examples of how the MSRP vehicle replacement works as well as hypothetical worksheet figures.

The process can be done by anyone, without BBB and without an Attorney, as long as you have your facts, any supporting documentation, plus know and understand your Hone State's Lemon Law guidelines and provisions..

Lemon Laws vary in every State, but as I posted earlier, Ford and Ford RAV cannot and does not deviate from those laws at all. This is why it's important to know your State Lemon laws regarding any fees, taxes or costs that are the responsibility of the owner AND what is afforded to owners as far as consumer rights.

The process is frustrating, it is tedious and it is you doing a lot of the leg work... Been there done it - and I will add that quite a few other M6G Members have successfully completed a Buy Back with the guidance provided...

 

[AMC401V8]

Jot this down. You might need it. I hope everything works out for you and your car makes you happy.

http://lehtoslaw.com/

 

[merlin803]

Jot this down. You might need it. I hope everything works out for you and your car makes you happy.

http://lehtoslaw.com/

Thanks for that.

So far Ford has been corporative, and I had actually already asked them to get me the details anyways on a buy back or replacement in anticipation of having continuing issues (and my car has been at the service dept. for well over a month - the issue started in late November & has now been back to service 3 times since then).

There should be no issue as far as if it qualifies under the Michigan lemon law but I just need to know what Ford offers before I decide on the next step.

 

[Arknsawchuck]

I went down this road with a 2018 GT I had. It developed some mysterious engine issue they couldn’t fix for 6 months. The dealership owned the car longer than I did and put more miles on it. The started taking new engine so I filed a claim with Ford and told them they can buy it back. They did and payed me full window sticker for it, plus the car payments I had made while they had it, and sod me a new one at cost. So I went from a base car to a fully loaded PP2 at less than I paid for the base car.

 

[merlin803]

I went down this road with a 2018 GT I had. It developed some mysterious engine issue they couldn’t fix for 6 months. The dealership owned the car longer than I did and put more miles on it. The started taking new engine so I filed a claim with Ford and told them they can buy it back. They did and payed me full window sticker for it, plus the car payments I had made while they had it, and sod me a new one at cost. So I went from a base car to a fully loaded PP2 at less than I paid for the base car.

Nice. I likely would have just kept that car had it ran fine after the engine replacement but getting the low oil pressure issue within a couple of miles of picking it up, when I specifically asked if they tested it first.....I have no confidence that it will ever be right and expect to have to do the buy back.

 

[wazslow]

Nice. I likely would have just kept that car had it ran fine after the engine replacement but getting the low oil pressure issue within a couple of miles of picking it up, when I specifically asked if they tested it first.....I have no confidence that it will ever be right and expect to have to do the buy back.

If it something dumb with the sending unit, I wouldn't be concerned. If it is actually low on oil pressure then I think you have cause to be worried.

 

[merlin803]

I went down this road with a 2018 GT I had. It developed some mysterious engine issue they couldn’t fix for 6 months. The dealership owned the car longer than I did and put more miles on it. The started taking new engine so I filed a claim with Ford and told them they can buy it back. They did and payed me full window sticker for it, plus the car payments I had made while they had it, and sod me a new one at cost. So I went from a base car to a fully loaded PP2 at less than I paid for the base car.

Just curious, what was the timetable like from the time that they agreed to the buy back and getting your new car?

Also, did they tell you that your original car had to be fixed before they would finalize a buyback (Ford has mentioned this twice to me but at this rate, I may die of old age before it is ever "fixed").

 

[Arknsawchuck]

Just curious, what was the timetable like from the time that they agreed to the buy back and getting your new car?

Also, did they tell you that your original car had to be fixed before they would finalize a buyback (Ford has mentioned this twice to me but at this rate, I may die of old age before it is ever "fixed").

It took about 4 months or so once they said yes it’s a buy back. They kept working on it but never told me it had to be fixed. Once they did fix it they had me drive it to the dealership where my new car was located. They had coordinated it all with the new car dealership. It was kinda like I did a trade in with the old car but Ford had already handled all the money exchange except for the part I would still owe on the new car.

 

[merlin803]

It took about 4 months or so once they said yes it’s a buy back. They kept working on it but never told me it had to be fixed. Once they did fix it they had me drive it to the dealership where my new car was located. They had coordinated it all with the new car dealership. It was kinda like I did a trade in with the old car but Ford had already handled all the money exchange except for the part I would still owe on the new car.

Did they pay off your original loan and then you got a new one? I assume that I would need to get a new loan (with whatever financing rates are available today vs what I got on the original loan)?

 

[Mr. Met]

Jot this down. You might need it. I hope everything works out for you and your car makes you happy.

http://lehtoslaw.com/

He is very good. When dealing with a possible lemon you should keep in mind something that is true in EVERY state. You will never have to pay a dime to speak to a lemon law attorney.

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