Aces IV additive/octane enhancer

[Super Werty]

Thanks for testing it for us Shawn. Hoping for another alternative besides octanium.

Since it burned my plug :(

How do you know it was the octanium that did it?

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[Roh92cp]

#rearinletproblems

kenne bell.

It's my understanding one of the plugs driver rear is no accessible because of the KB rear feed manifold is over it. I've read younhave to unbolt and tip up the SC on that side to remove that plug.

How do you know it was the octanium that did it?

I don't have first hand experience with Octanium, but according to Will at Whipple it ruined a customers motor that he's rebuilding. Funny thing is Dustin uses it regularly on the whipple shop car without issue and he never says anything bad about it.

 

[Phoenix]

It's my understanding one of the plugs driver rear is no accessible because of the KB rear feed manifold is over it. I've read younhave to unbolt and tip up the SC on that side to remove that plug.

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[Davepurp]

Here is a picture of my well seasoned Spark plug w/ about 2k miles and maybe 4 cans of octanium throughout the tuning process.

Makes me second guess running the stuff as often as I have.

Should I replace the plugs? I checked a few and this was the worst, but all gaps seem to be right otherwise

 

[Phoenix]

Here is a picture of my well seasoned Spark plug w/ about 2k miles and maybe 4 cans of octanium throughout the tuning process.

Makes me second guess running the stuff as often as I have.

Should I replace the plugs? I checked a few and this was the worst, but all gaps seem to be right otherwise

does it wipe right off?

 

[Super Werty]

Well guess I'm checking my plugs tonight. I've run about ten cans without issue so far

 

[rio16]

How do you know it was the octanium that did it?

Octanium is leaded and can cause to foul up plugs. Dennis had the same issue but it got worst. =(

 

[Phoenix]

Octanium is leaded and can cause to foul up plugs. Dennis had the same issue but it got worst. =(

torco unleaded accelerator does not contain lead.

 

[Super Werty]

Octanium is leaded and can cause to foul up plugs. Dennis had the same issue but it got worst. =(

Says right on VPs website and on the bottle that octanium has "lead substitute"

 

[Hazmat SRT]

I've recently done some testing with ACES to find no octane increase or knock reduction using this. Here are my findings. All test runs were done from 3500 rpm to my shift light activation at 7300 rpm from 3rd to 4th gears. Whipple calibration and used Ngauge to log the runs. I video the gauge is what I did and had boost, lambda, knocker, spark advance and true dedicated IAT 2 sensor which I installed. I cant say I'm completely happy with the knock I was seeing especially with the 11 psi pulley as 93 octane should make the knocker happy.

93 octane last summer 3.75" whipple pulley makes 9.5-10 psi 21 degrees advance no knock

The test below were all done within a 3 day period last week.
93 octane and ACES 3.5" pulley 13 psi 15 spark advance and 3-4 degrees positive knock

91 octane with ACES non ethanol shell 3.5" 13 psi 13 spark advance and s hit load of knock 4-5 positive:eyebulge:

93 octane top tear station with ACES 3.625" 11 psi 16 spark advance 2 degrees positive knock.


VP100 canned race fuel 3.3" 14 psi pulley 18-20 degrees timing and -2 knock

Hi Shawn,

I specifically joined this forum to be able to comment on this thread. I've worked closely with Brian over the last two years as I've begun using Aces IV and the line of QB products that BND produces. I'm strong advocate of the benefits of using BND materials and have found them to be of the highest quality.

I had a discussion with Brian this afternoon while on a long drive from Grand Rapids to Auburn Hills and we discussed your specific situation. Based on your knock counts we are both of the opinion that Aces IV doesn't have sufficient knock resistance to deal with the high levels of boost and timing that you're running (or that the PCM is trying to run).

I'm sure that Brian will recommend Aces IV-P to you which is more of a race formula specifically made for high horsepower boosted applications. Aces IV is more suitable for N/A motors than run up to the 12:1 compression range while Aces IV-P handles everything above that. When tuning Hellcats, built 392s and 426s, the tuner will almost always use Aces IV-P to get the most performance.

I can understand your frustration with respect to why knock counts weren't decreasing and I have to admit that we're both baffled by this. Typically, in Hemi applications that are running boost, the car needs to be retuned on 93 + Aces since the AF:R gets a bit fat. The fact that you're seeing no change in knock counts indicates that the Aces standard formula isn't up to the task. While I'm very familiar with the modern Hemi, I'm the furthest thing from an expert on the Coyote (although I have a lot of respect for the quality of the engine and what it can handle). 1-2 counts of knock on my stock 392 under boost would see the rings lands shatter.

Where I want to commend you is for not dismissing Aces as snake oil and instead choosing to work with Brian towards an effective solution. I should mention that I have no skin in the game, don't work for BND and don't get discounts for touting his stuff on forums.

Oh and I respect ALL muscle cars....even if I choose to drive Mopars. In my younger years I drag raced two SN95 Mustangs and loved them.

I look forward to seeing your issue resolved with Aces IV-P and hearing your results when you have a chance to try it.

Cheers,

Andy

 

[Phoenix]

Hi Shawn,

I specifically joined this forum to be able to comment on this thread. I've worked closely with Brian over the last two years as I've begun using Aces IV and the line of QB products that BND produces. I'm strong advocate of the benefits of using BND materials and have found them to be of the highest quality.

I had a discussion with Brian this afternoon while on a long drive from Grand Rapids to Auburn Hills and we discussed your specific situation. Based on your knock counts we are both of the opinion that Aces IV doesn't have sufficient knock resistance to deal with the high levels of boost and timing that you're running (or that the PCM is trying to run).

I'm sure that Brian will recommend Aces IV-P to you which is more of a race formula specifically made for high horsepower boosted applications. Aces IV is more suitable for N/A motors than run up to the 12:1 compression range while Aces IV-P handles everything above that. When tuning Hellcats, built 392s and 426s, the tuner will almost always use Aces IV-P to get the most performance.

I can understand your frustration with respect to why knock counts weren't decreasing and I have to admit that we're both baffled by this. Typically, in Hemi applications that are running boost, the car needs to be retuned on 93 + Aces since the AF:R gets a bit fat. The fact that you're seeing no change in knock counts indicates that the Aces standard formula isn't up to the task. While I'm very familiar with the modern Hemi, I'm the furthest thing from an expert on the Coyote (although I have a lot of respect for the quality of the engine and what it can handle). 1-2 counts of knock on my stock 392 under boost would see the rings lands shatter.

Where I want to commend you is for not dismissing Aces as snake oil and instead choosing to work with Brian towards an effective solution. I should mention that I have no skin in the game, don't work for BND and don't get discounts for touting his stuff on forums.

Oh and I respect ALL muscle cars....even if I choose to drive Mopars. In my younger years I drag raced two SN95 Mustangs and loved them.

I look forward to seeing your issue resolved with Aces IV-P and hearing your results when you have a chance to try it.

Cheers,

Andy

Other than price, why should someone choose ACES products over established names in the business such as Torco and VP?

 

[Bartly]

Other than price, why should someone choose ACES products over established names in the business such as Torco and VP?

Sorry, I know this wasn't directed at me, but here is my reasoning. I bought it because it's less $/gallon to get the desired octane and doesn't have MMT.

But since reading this thread the $100 box has been sitting on the dining room table unopened as I don't feel like pouring something into my tank that isn't going to help with the knock.

 

[Hazmat SRT]

Other than price, why should someone choose ACES products over established names in the business such as Torco and VP?

In my experience, established doesn't always mean better (no disrespect intended to Torco or VP)

Again, speaking from the perspective of a Hemi owner, I've been able to data log my 392, which is 11:1 compression using straight 93 top tier and have seen 2-3 counts of ST knock and 1-2 counts of LT knock running 5th gear pulls on the 8 speed in 60 degree ambient. This condition is amplified slightly when the IAT picks up much more dense air (i.e. sub 40 degree ambient temps).

Aces allows me to run 89 octane (faster flame speed and more complete burn) and gives me an effective octane of 98. In all conditions, hot or cold I no longer see any ST or LT knock which means that I'm not pulling timing and maximizing the BTU of the fuel. So I get the flame speed of 89 and the effective octane of 98.

I'm not sure if you've ever listened to a modern Hemi but they also suffer from "Hemi Tick". Due to the upper cylinder lubricity that Aces provides (in conjunction with the custom blended 7.5W-40 that Brian makes for me), both of my Hemis are quiet and don't suffer from the ticking issue. If you asked me to make a list of additional benefits it would look like this:

• Produces Racing Fuel HP and Torque from pump fuels 102 octane performance
• Protects your vehicle like leaded fuels once did.
• Reduces ring and bore wear by 6 times with 4 times less stem and guide wear.

In mechanical terms, not all friction creates wear, but all wear creates friction. The fact that Aces addresses this is just a helpful byproduct. Again, in boosted applications, the IV-P formula is going to be the ticket.

I hope that helps,

Cheers,

Andy

 

[Hazmat SRT]

Sorry, I know this wasn't directed at me, but here is my reasoning. I bought it because it's less $/gallon to get the desired octane and doesn't have MMT.

But since reading this thread the $100 box has been sitting on the dining room table unopened as I don't feel like pouring something into my tank that isn't going to help with the knock.

Knowing Brian as well as I do, he's not interested in making money once. He'd rather get you what you need and build a long standing relationship based on mutual benefit.

I'd give him a call and express your concerns. Ask him for some Aces IV-P to try and I'm sure he'll get some out to you. The advantage of working with a professional Tribologist who cares about his business is that he's going to work until he gives you a solution.

I buy his products because they work and I know the person making them will stand behind them.

You've got nothing to lose!

 

[Bartly]

Thanks will do.

So how is this for timing, found a new video on youtube for all.

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