9h coating then pollen dump

[BabyDoc1012]

I have always detailed my own cars; wash, clayed when needed, polish and waxed. I don’t know anything about ceramic coats, actually hadn’t heard about them until I joined the forum. So, what exactly does it do different than a good wax? Are you still waxing over the ceramic? How often do they need to be reapplied? Is there a thread for noobs that breaks it all down? Thanks for the info guys.

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[cerbomark]

I have always detailed my own cars; wash, clayed when needed, polish and waxed. I don’t know anything about ceramic coats, actually hadn’t heard about them until I joined the forum. So, what exactly does it do different than a good wax? Are you still waxing over the ceramic? How often do they need to be reapplied? Is there a thread for noobs that breaks it all down? Thanks for the info guys.

Best to search the net or here. It s a deep rabbit hole with lots of different options and different advise. It is more durable than wax for sure but is more expensive and takes longer to apply. You can wax over ceramics but some think it lessens the slippery effect of the ceramic because the ceramic has better properties for water beading. They do need reapplying. How often, who knows. There are consumer products and a more robust professional ceramic. I can tell you the consumer product will not last as long and that s because it s more forgiving to apply . I have done several cars and the thing I don t like is it never lasts as long as the one car I owned that was dealer applied. Having it done cost thousands, is it worth that price, again , up the the individual. It s a big business so buyer beware whether you are buying a product or hiring a detailer.

 

[BabyDoc1012]

Best to search the net or here. It s a deep rabbit hole with lots of different options and different advise. It is more durable than wax for sure but is more expensive and takes longer to apply. You can wax over ceramics but some think it lessens the slippery effect of the ceramic because the ceramic has better properties for water beading. They do need reapplying. How often, who knows. There are consumer products and a more robust professional ceramic. I can tell you the consumer product will not last as long and that s because it s more forgiving to apply . I have done several cars and the thing I don t like is it never lasts as long as the one car I owned that was dealer applied. Having it done cost thousands, is it worth that price, again , up the the individual. It s a big business so buyer beware whether you are buying a product or hiring a detailer.

Thanks for the info. I’ll look it and research it some.

 

[Stangomydreams]

Personally I feel it is best if owner applied to a new unwaxed car, since all the extensive prep is not needed (possibly an iron remover for train delivered cars) and it went pretty well for me. Looks amazing. Then maintain with either griots ceramic hybrid spray or turtle wax ceramic hybrid spray every 3 months for topper. An update on my pollen situation - rained hard this morning and all pollen crust gone with beautiful slick and smooth ceramic coating revealed. Main advantage over wax is durability. Even expensive Wax or polymer has never lasted more than a few washes for me and if you wash weekly that means a lot of waxing. If you like the zen of the process then that works too but for an outside stored car like mine ceramics with UV are wonderful. I VERY rarely need to use a mitt or brush to wash - spray on soap - rinse and dry (cordless air blower) and done. And wax over ceramic is generally not recommended, just the topper every 3 months which is easy and cheap.

 

[Bikeman315]

since all the extensive prep is not needed

It really depends on the car. Some cars may require just a little touch up (there is no such thing as perfect paint from the factory), some a lot more. You really do not know until you get it under the lights. I though my Oxford White GT/CS was close to perfect. Wrong. I did need a mild correction. I saw it before & after. Big difference.

 

[Stangomydreams]

It really depends on the car. Some cars may require just a little touch up (there is no such thing as perfect paint from the factory), some a lot more. You really do not know until you get it under the lights. I though my Oxford White GT/CS was close to perfect. Wrong. I did need a mild correction. I saw it before & after. Big difference.

Yes the major benefit can also be the downside of ceramic as you are locking in the current condition of the car - good or bad -and it requires abrasive to remove once cured. A wax on the other hand can hide temporarily swirls and scratches - not so with ceramic.

 

[kilobravo]

My two cents...

You don't "lock" anything in with a ceramic coating, you can polish through it with the proper compound and pad. The longer a coating has been on a vehicle, the less compounding required to remove the remaining portion because it abrates off.

But, if you don't want to spend the money to have the car polished and coated and, you can't or don't want to polish it yourself, stick with wax. Coating an unpolished car is not the way to go even though it's possible and will make it easier to wash. I spent five days polishing mine and the difference in gloss from the factory was dramatic. But, if yours is good enough as is, go ahead and coat it, at least it will be much easier to wash for a year or more.

 

[BabyDoc1012]

Personally I feel it is best if owner applied to a new unwaxed car, since all the extensive prep is not needed (possibly an iron remover for train delivered cars) and it went pretty well for me. Looks amazing. Then maintain with either griots ceramic hybrid spray or turtle wax ceramic hybrid spray every 3 months for topper. An update on my pollen situation - rained hard this morning and all pollen crust gone with beautiful slick and smooth ceramic coating revealed. Main advantage over wax is durability. Even expensive Wax or polymer has never lasted more than a few washes for me and if you wash weekly that means a lot of waxing. If you like the zen of the process then that works too but for an outside stored car like mine ceramics with UV are wonderful. I VERY rarely need to use a mitt or brush to wash - spray on soap - rinse and dry (cordless air blower) and done. And wax over ceramic is generally not recommended, just the topper every 3 months which is easy and cheap.

Thanks for the info!

 

[VIPR01]

I applied turtle wax “Pro” graphene coating to my 71 Pinto last night, no polish or decon prep, not one single high spot - perfect leveling. I did it in the Wendy’s parking lot under the lights while enjoying a junior bacon cheeseburger on the hood - amped up for cars n coffee this weekend.

 

[DFB5.0]

I applied turtle wax “Pro” graphene coating to my 71 Pinto last night, no polish or decon prep, not one single high spot - perfect leveling. I did it in the Wendy’s parking lot under the lights while enjoying a junior bacon cheeseburger on the hood - amped up for cars n coffee this weekend.

This one?
Hybrid Solutions Pro Graphene Flex Wax | Turtle Wax

If so, that is not a ceramic coating, it's a spray sealant. Certainly a decent product, but quite a fair way from a proper ceramic coating applied with care in small, controlled sections at a time.

 

[VIPR01]

Yes, that’s the one - it’s all the same right? Turtle wax, GTechniq, Kamikaze… That’s what the sales guy at Pete’s detail said - it was a Pro detailer ceramic coating with 9H properties. He said you just spray it on & it will look like it just rolled out of one them fancy detailers like Esoteric in Ohio or Presidential in FL… Well, I guess I know what my weekend project is with my porter cable buffer my ex wife got me for Christmas. I’ve been wantn one of those roopes buffers, but with the cost of Skoal & Mt Dew going up - I’ll have to wait til I mow a few more yards.

 

[Bikeman315]

Yes, that’s the one - it’s all the same right? Turtle wax, GTechniq, Kamikaze… That’s what the sales guy at Pete’s detail said - it was a Pro detailer ceramic coating with 9H properties. He said you just spray it on & it will look like it just rolled out of one them fancy detailers like Esoteric in Ohio or Presidential in FL… Well, I guess I know what my weekend project is with my porter cable buffer my ex wife got me for Christmas. I’ve been wantn one of those roopes buffers, but with the cost of Skoal & Mt Dew going up - I’ll have to wait til I mow a few more yards.

For just a moment there I thought you were being serious. Now I know better.

 

[VIPR01]

Just throwing out some Friday Humor to kick off the weekend. Here’s to 10H ceramic coating, pollen, and Roopes polishers

 

[PC_GUARD]

I applied turtle wax “Pro” graphene coating to my 71 Pinto last night, no polish or decon prep, not one single high spot - perfect leveling. I did it in the Wendy’s parking lot under the lights while enjoying a junior bacon cheeseburger on the hood - amped up for cars n coffee this weekend.

HAHAHA

Didnt feed any seagull french fries did you?

 

[DFB5.0]

For just a moment there I thought you were being serious. Now I know better.

Well, he got me too.

HAHAHA

Didnt feed any seagull french fries did you?

Stop it you guys, you're being mean..........................

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