2018 + rumor mill... let's hear it!

[Voodooo]

He is speaking to the new Z28 which you know they will want to outperform the GT350/R. I bet the new Z28 will best it but there are more to the GT350 than track times.

By the time the Z28 comes out the GT350 will be done or on its last year.

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[Spectre]

This is getting unnecessarily heated... on both sides.

C'mon, fellas. Can't we just throw the BS around on both sides on this issue and not take things personally? It's just a rumours thread.

 

[ohtobbad]

Are you challenged? What the hell does this even mean? PP has stated that he doesn't "know", but has stated his opinion. Are you saying he was being disingenuous?

Again, I will ask, is the thread not titled "Rumor Mill"? Just because someone's opinion differs from yours, doesn't make it wrong. You very matter of factly stated earlier that it was dead after MY17. I think we both know you are wrong on that. I just happen to think it will extend to MY19 as well. Only time will tell.

you should read your own writing, Just because you beat the drum all day, doesn't mean much, you do have a 50/50 shot of being right.
Like you or anyone else, we are entitled to an opinion.
Instead of you arguing with everyone that has one, that does not agree with yours, just say what you think, time will see what happens.

 

[Shift]

This is getting unnecessarily heated... on both sides.

C'mon, fellas. Can't we just throw the BS around on both sides on this issue and not take things personally? It's just a rumours thread.

:cheers:

 

[DrumReaper]

Are you challenged? What the hell does this even mean? PP has stated that he doesn't "know", but has stated his opinion. Are you saying he was being disingenuous?

Again, I will ask, is the thread not titled "Rumor Mill"? Just because someone's opinion differs from yours, doesn't make it wrong. You very matter of factly stated earlier that it was dead after MY17. I think we both know you are wrong on that. I just happen to think it will extend to MY19 as well. Only time will tell.

Yeah, I'm challenged... Are you picking on a challenged guy now?

Anyways, the dealer statement hat went around disclosing 3500/360 for NonR/R cars for MYs 16/17 was legit and not rumor...

Jim Owens stating production would mirror 12/13 B302s is not rumor...

Dealers being signed into MY 16/17 allocations deals thru Ford Performance is not rumor...

I have provided 3 legit statements to show why production beyond MY17 seems unlikely, but you want to argue that I'm challenged... :headbonk:

Well, maybe I am!

 

[Donkey]

Yeah, I'm challenged... Are you picking on a challenged guy now?

Anyways, the dealer statement hat went around disclosing 3500/360 for NonR/R cars for MYs 16/17 was legit and not rumor...

Jim Owens stating production would mirror 12/13 B302s is not rumor...

Dealers being signed into MY 16/17 allocations deals thru Ford Performance is not rumor...

I have provided 3 legit statements to show why production beyond MY17 seems unlikely, but you want to argue that I'm challenged... :headbonk:

Well, maybe I am!

Except it's went well above 3500/360.

 

[stanglife]

:cheers: I'll try to clear up the confusion:

1. I am 50/50 on getting a 2017. My tinfoil hat theories re: 2018 genuinely aren't affected by my personal plan. If I don't get one, I don't get one. Such is life.

2. You are 100% correct that all I am offering is pure conjecture, and I said as much in my previous post (I.e., "here's why *I* think..."). This thread is all about opinions, and I am in no way going to misrepresent myself as having any inside knowledge.

3. Re: ADMs, history tells us that these usually fall by the wayside after the early adopters get theirs, as most other enthusiasts are happy to wait a few years (or buy one used) if they know that even the limited edition model is not subject to a short production run (see GT500, Hellcats). It is my opinion that ADMs on GT350s are so pervasive because of how well the belief (true or otherwise) has held that this car will only be produced for 2 years. Ford Motor Company has zero reason not to be forthright with their customer base re: production run, as they only stand to hurt themselves from not producing more cars they can sell. Dealers, however, stand to gain immensely from the continued popular belief that production will be limited to 2 cause then more people will be likely to pay above sticker. I can only think of one reason why Ford wouldn't simply come out and say what their goal for GT350 production is... the aforementioned willingness to play along with the wishes of the independent dealers who order their cars.

Again, just my 2 cents on an otherwise lazy Sunday. And they are Canadian cents at that, which means they're only worth about 1.5 cents US at the moment. :cheers:

I think you make a lot of sense here. Obviously, we're all just applying a little logic and "guessing" at the rest so anything can happen...but your business case makes sense to me.

 

[Hack]

I think it would be really cool if Ford would open up production more and make more GT350s. I'd love to see 2 years of Ford making as many as people would order. I understand why they haven't done it, though. I'm hoping that after I wear mine out it won't be difficult to find a used one in great condition for a reasonable price.

I'm also really looking forward to see what Ford does to make me forget about the GT350 and want the next thing. They really have their work cut out!

 

[PP0001]

With all do respect, do you think that we should only believe what you post on these forums? You act as if speculation based on anecdotal evidence is a bad thing. Are we all just supposed to listen to the reasoning that makes sense to you?

When he leaked that out, many Internet forums/enthusiast sites ran with it. I don't mean to offend, but his word on this is worth a lot more than yours. You seem to adamantly disagree with production going past MY17 on these cars. I am happy that you feel that way.

Serious question for you PP. Is this thread not titled "Rumor Mill"? You choose to believe who you want to and others will do the same. Nobody needs you to white knight them and protect them from enjoying thinking that production of this car will continue. Can we get back to the rumor mill and info that people have heard? I, like most here, will be ok thinking how we want to without you saving us.

At where have I suggested that the GT350 will not go beyond the 2017MY? My only question to you is where are you getting your facts and inside information? Mustang Manny??? What a great source of information!

It is my understanding that you have never even owned a Mustang up until now let alone a new Shelby GT350/GT350R and are probably half the age of many of the senior members of this forum and you are now confirming that Jim Owens has confirmed a 2018 and/or a 2019 MY?

Do you even know who Jim Owens is and have you met him or had discussions with him about this issue?

Some of us have and on more than one occasion when asking him about this scenario not once has he confirmed to me the GT350 program going beyond the 2017MY and please don't tell us that maybe Jim let it slip out some other time because he would never let that happen. After working directly for Carroll for a number of years he knows what and what not to say about any future Shelby Mustangs.

Again, I am not saying it will not but when people such as yourself are adamant that it will happen I would like to hear your source of information aside from a Ford dealer employee or what you are reading on the social media.

Lastly, for someone who is relatively new to this forum and has admittedly little or no experience with Mustangs or Shelby GT350's you certainly seem to have a lot of answers for many of us that have been around these cars long before you were born.

:cheers:

 

[DrumReaper]

Except it's went well above 3500/360.

Yes, and obviously 3600/360 was a target for some odd reason... Homologation rules? Who knows?... I don't really care, but had Fprd limited production to 3600/360 there would be a ton of people calling Ford stupid and saying they were trying to adjust the market, so im glad they went beyond the 3600/360.

 

[DrumReaper]

I think it would be really cool if Ford would open up production more and make more GT350s. I'd love to see 2 years of Ford making as many as people would order. I understand why they haven't done it, though. I'm hoping that after I wear mine out it won't be difficult to find a used one in great condition for a reasonable price.

I'm also really looking forward to see what Ford does to make me forget about the GT350 and want the next thing. They really have their work cut out!

Wonder how many people have placed orders out of "fad" or "just trying to keep up with the Jones" and have canceled? This is a good reason why they don't.

 

[Hack]

Wonder how many people have placed orders out of "fad" or "just trying to keep up with the Jones" and have canceled? This is a good reason why they don't.

Not sure what you are saying.

 

[DrumReaper]

You said you would to see Ford produce as many as people will order... I was just wondering how may orders fell through due to people backing or, and then the whole Tech Pack issue...

At any rate, I'll accept whatever Ford does and be happy with it. I got my piece of the pie and I'm glad.

 

[PP0001]

Jesus Christ. MM could be a hard shelled candy for all I know. Guessing a 500/5000 production run isn't rocket science. Do you realize how many Svt vehicles for made in 5000 runs? Many! The GT350 WILL NOT GO TO 2019.

To your point Jim Owens has always publicly stated that production numbers for the GT350 in 2017 will be close to or a little higher than the production numbers for the 2 year run of the Boss 302 cars. He was making those statements last Fall well before even the R's got rolling.

He also suggested that the R model production will run similar to the Laguna Seca volumes but as we all know Ford lost 3 months of R model production starting last November 23rd therefore less production numbers for the 2017 R model compared to the Boss 302 Laguna Seca's.

Having said that I would suggest that Ford may produce more R models in the 2017MY based on an early start in Flat Rock which ramps up later this week.

;)

 

[RaceRedGT350]

At where have I suggested that the GT350 will not go beyond the 2017MY? My only question to you is where are you getting your facts and inside information? Mustang Manny??? What a great source of information!

It is my understanding that you have never even owned a Mustang up until now let alone a new Shelby GT350/GT350R and are probably half the age of many of the senior members of this forum and you are now confirming that Jim Owens has confirmed a 2018 and/or a 2019 MY?

Do you even know who Jim Owens is and have you met him or had discussions with him about this issue?

Some of us have and on more than one occasion when asking him about this scenario not once has he confirmed to me the GT350 program going beyond the 2017MY and please don't tell us that maybe Jim let it slip out some other time because he would never let that happen. After working directly for Carroll for a number of years he knows what and what not to say about any future Shelby Mustangs.

Again, I am not saying it will not but when people such as yourself are adamant that it will happen I would like to hear your source of information aside from a Ford dealer employee or what you are reading on the social media.

Lastly, for someone who is relatively new to this forum and has admittedly little or no experience with Mustangs or Shelby GT350's you certainly seem to have a lot of answers for many of us that have been around these cars long before you were born.

:cheers:

So, I would consider one of the largest mustang dealers, as does this site, an outstanding source of info on Mustangs. I have never met Jim Owens, but don't need to. He confirmed in an interview at one of the track attack's that it was going onto MY18. Unless you are calling that guy a liar. Additionally, another member here spoke with a Ford R&D guy that confirmed it could as well.

Not saying you don't have "sources", but neither of us really know. You choose to believe what you want to and I will do the same.

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