2018 Mustang refresh?

[EricSMG]

The car is enormous - supercar big, that's why it's heavy, as most big cars are. It could be physically much smaller, which would reduce weight and increase performance without touching hp or requiring exotic (read: expensive) materials. But to do that is a complete redesign - ain't happening with a refresh. To be worthwhile it needs to come down at least 200lbs, preferably 3.

I'm surprised how obsessed this board seems to be with absolute hp figures.

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[Spartan]

By your lack of ownership, your posts, and everything in total, I would expect you to drive/look at an 18 and then hear about what the 21 will be and never buy. If you're so worried about whats coming then you'll never have whats "now". You'll end up never owning anything. You sure as shit can't buy an 18 and own it in 16. So while I like to be on the bleeding edge of progress, I'm also not going to live forever so fuck waiting. Buy what you like. But good luck with waiting.

Buy what you like and move on people. No ones guaranteed to be living by the time the refresh hits the lots.

Nah just like in every industry there are plateaus that you should wait for. For me its the transmission. Don't want an outdated 6 speed where the rest of the industry has been in 8 speeds for 1-2 years already. I value my $$ that I work hard for and I'm fine with waiting for the car I want in a few months.

The computer geek in me is having painful dejavu. It's the same shit with computer hardware. Don't get this chip, the next one will have 6 cores. Don't buy this card, the next one will overclock better and have more VRAM. In a perpetual holding pattern waiting for the next best thing instead of buying something awesome now and enjoying it now.

I'm a CP geek also but there is totally plateaus you wait for, especially the main CPUS. Graphic cards are pointless on waiting on. But same thing applied to screens. People who bought iPads 2 knowing that the iPad 3 was going to have retina regretted it..the difference was night and day.

 

[Spartan]

Oi, leave Spartan alone, he only wants the best for Mustang

Truth be told, a few months after the '18MY is released, I'll be demanding to know where the '21MY spyshots are :lol:

Of course, there's always the next best thing. The current S550 is an amazing car and I'm sure Ford will ensure it only gets better ;)

Nah let them get themselves owned when my '18 makes their '15-'17s look like dated tech. ;)

 

[Spartan]

For me it's about the looks.

Sometimes the re-fresh or new model can take a car a step back, especially in the style department. Of course taste is subjective, but I thought the Dodge Charger that came out in 2006 is a lot better looking than today's current version, style-wise. Better lines, more balanced look. Today's version just seems watered down...

I think the current iteration of this car will prove to be one of the best looking Mustang models ever produced. Perhaps one that will be a base for styling and looks 30 years from now? After the Fastback models of the 60's I didn't care for any of the later versions until the S550 came long...

Yep of course it's a risk with the looks but they aren't going to mess it up when it has a good record here...but they will be fixing the Fusion front end...they know about that comparison and want to move away from that ASAP with the refresh.

 

[Petroleum Jesus]

The car is enormous - supercar big, that's why it's heavy, as most big cars are. It could be physically much smaller, which would reduce weight and increase performance without touching hp or requiring exotic (read: expensive) materials. But to do that is a complete redesign - ain't happening with a refresh. To be worthwhile it needs to come down at least 200lbs, preferably 3.

I'm surprised how obsessed this board seems to be with absolute hp figures.

Cutting 300 lbs wouldn't require a redesign, just about $3k worth of mods. Ford could offer it as a top spec option and make money on it without driving up the cost of entry. I for one would have paid an extra $10K for performance options if ford offered them on my '16 GT.

 

[Spartan]

Performance-wise...maybe but I have a hard time believing that the guys who bought '15-'17 cars are going to be saying this. The first version of the S550 is pretty revolutionary and this was the "important" version of the car.

I seriously doubt that the reveal of the 2018 refresh will be covered on the morning news.

Then again, I hope you're right. The '18 would have to be pretty darned amazing.

In terms of performance I doub't it will be that amazing. The extra stuff coming on it will be the reason why it's the version to get (transmission, MR, dual mode, better overall driving experience/suspension, upgraded materials, maybe even some weight loss, better fascia, etc).

In the grand scheme of things no one will cover the refresh at all except the mags.

Cutting 300 lbs wouldn't require a redesign, just about $3k worth of mods. Ford could offer it as a top spec option and make money on it without driving up the cost of entry. I for one would have paid an extra $10K for performance options if ford offered them on my '16 GT.

They can shed a bunch with just the lighter panels parts they already have made/casted but didn't put on the '15s...specially waited for the refresh/special editions. Suitcase can be redesigned and jettisoned for a nice loss.

 

[Petroleum Jesus]

Yep of course it's a risk with the looks but they aren't going to mess it up when it has a good record here...but they will be fixing the Fusion front end...they know about that comparison and want to move away from that ASAP with the refresh.

What are you talking about?! The last time I heard someone refer to the S550 having a fusion-esque front end was in 2013, when all the journos were releasing those hideous photochops of what it was "supposed" to look like.

 

[Spartan]

What are you talking about?! The last time I heard someone refer to the S550 having a fusion-esque front end was in 2013, when all the journos were releasing those hideous photochops of what it was "supposed" to look like.

Type in Mustang/Fusion in google...image search will show you tons of comparisons. They even know it..talking to the reps at the auto show last year said they hear it a lot.

 

[EricSMG]

Cutting 300 lbs wouldn't require a redesign, just about $3k worth of mods. Ford could offer it as a top spec option and make money on it without driving up the cost of entry. I for one would have paid an extra $10K for performance options if ford offered them on my '16 GT.

How do you get $3k? Seems pretty specific, and, totally unrealistic. 300lbs is a TON of weight to loose. Sure they could do it without changing the size of the car but I'd expect the price to be much higher. The Camaro got lighter this year which required a totally new chassis. If they could have dropped as much weight with a few mods they surely would've went that route, no?

However, I do like your idea of a 'light weight option', depending on cost.

If the '18 is 300lbs lighter than my '17 I'll be mad but somehow I'm not worried

 

[lemers]

Cutting 300 lbs wouldn't require a redesign, just about $3k worth of mods. Ford could offer it as a top spec option and make money on it without driving up the cost of entry. I for one would have paid an extra $10K for performance options if ford offered them on my '16 GT.

They did...it's called a GT350

 

[EricSMG]

They did...it's called a GT350

GT350R.

And is it really 300lbs lighter? More like ~150 and that's by removing a bunch of stuff making it not particularly a nice streetcar.

If I was lead project engineer for Mustang, here's how my refresh would look:

1. Move battery to trunk (improve weight bias)
2. Light weight hood with lower profile (improve weight bias, overall weight and forward visibility)
3. Light weight front k-member/carrier (improve weight bias and overall weight)
4. Firmer rubber bushings diff and IRS cradle
5. Lower chassis about 10mm
6. Custom valved Bilsteins
7. Better rear brakes
8. PSS tires standard
9. CF roof option

 

[shelbydave]

I like the wheels on the red 350 sketch.

 

[magnetic16gt]

Do you ever go back in forums and read speculations from those with "inside knowledge" prior to the release of a new model and compare it to the end product?

 

[Petroleum Jesus]

They did...it's called a GT350

I said $10K, not 25K

 

[Conedodger]

Ford could get the car down to 3,500 lbs with a few improvement. Here are a few ideas.

All aluminum hood. 10lbs
Aluminum doors. 20
Lighter K member. 10
Lighter flywheel. 15
Aluminum front and rear bumper beam 10
Lighter front seats 20
Lighter wheels 40
2 piece brake rotors front and rear. 20

145 lbs.

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