2016 GT350 Sequential Gearbox?

[WestRace]

FWIW, there are talks among the officials at IMSA to allow automatic and DCT and automatic transmissions into CTSCC in the near future because that's the way of the future. This would open the door to a lot of cars like the C63 which would be awesome to see. Heck, you can't get a Porsche GT3 with a manual anymore.

On that note, both the 991 GT3 street car and GT3 racecars use paddleshift transmissions (albeit street = dual clutch, race = sequential box). There's no question that DCT makes a car FASTER on track, not just 'keep pace' with a manual.

I think the AMG cars have a locking torque converter, and are quite good, like your comment of people complaining about SMG transmissions (which I agree are far from as bad as everyone says they are). I never minded E46 M3 or E60 M5's SMG transmissions, or 360/F430's single clutch sequential transmissions since they shift faster than most people and with a brief lift of the throttle during the shift, they can be quite smooth. However, the DCT transmissions in modern ///M cars, PDK, GTR's, & 458 Italias are worlds better than SMG, are much faster, and are pretty damn good and fun to drive.

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I think most modern autos have some sort of locking mechanism to improve fuel mileage, but still I don't think they are fast enough for transient conditions. I am sure the AMG's auto is better than most but probably still not fast enough for constant shifting during acceleration and decceleration for example on track conditions.

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[nametoshowothers]

Ford actually has DCT but only offered for the Fiesta and Focus for good reason because it doesn't have to handle much power and does not have to pull any heavy loads since those cars are pretty light.
I don't see a DCT making any economic sense for a $35K car with 450hp. The Nissan DCT has had a lot of issues. I would bet the DCT on the Ferrari or Porsche may actually cost almost the same as the Mustang GT.

DCT in m3 was around 2k extra, so I see no reason they can not be made economical and handle the power, and yes they are coming, but I do not think the industry is ready quite yet

 

[Stuntman]

DCT in m3 was around 2k extra, so I see no reason they can not be made economical and handle the power, and yes they are coming, but I do not think the industry is ready quite yet

I would argue it is. Manuals are a dying breed.

According to Edmunds, as of 8/2013, only 3.9% of new cars sold in north americ had manual transmissions:

http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/five-myths-about-stick-shifts.html

Kids these days have too many distractions from cell phones to video games. Cars and modifying them isn't as exciting for youth as it use to be.

 

[nametoshowothers]

I would argue it is. Manuals are a dying breed.

According to Edmunds, as of 8/2013, only 3.9% of new cars sold in north americ had manual transmissions:

http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/five-myths-about-stick-shifts.html

Kids these days have too many distractions from cell phones to video games. Cars and modifying them isn't as exciting for youth as it use to be.

you are correct that they are dying breed in rest of the world, just not yet in the American muscle/sports car market. So my point still stands that we will see regular autos and regular manuals in the corvette, mustang, camaro for the time being and then the DCT will come in.

 

[Stuntman]

you are correct that they are dying breed in rest of the world, just not yet in the American muscle/sports car market. So my point still stands that we will see regular autos and regular manuals in the corvette, mustang, camaro for the time being and then the DCT will come in.

...you mean the rest of the world that is a lot more proficient in manual transmission cars and has proportionally more manual cars?

 

[Trackaholic]

...you mean the rest of the world that is a lot more proficient in manual transmission cars and has proportionally more manual cars?

It's interesting. While there are more manuals in use in the rest if the world, the availability on the higher powered vehicles seems to be less than on American cars. For example, one can still get a manual on the vette, Camaro, mustang, and challenger, but not on ferraris, jaguar f-type, 911 gt3, and I think the manual m5 is only available in the USA. The European mfrs really seem to push the dual clutch as we'll. New m3 has the dual clutch as the default configuration choice I believe.

I'm glad that at least the cayman and normal 911 still offer the stick shift, but I wonder for how much longer. I have more faith that the "old tech" American cars will offer the stick shift longer than the Europeans will.

-T

 

[Stuntman]

It's interesting. While there are more manuals in use in the rest if the world, the availability on the higher powered vehicles seems to be less than on American cars. For example, one can still get a manual on the vette, Camaro, mustang, and challenger, but not on ferraris, jaguar f-type, 911 gt3, and I think the manual m5 is only available in the USA. The European mfrs really seem to push the dual clutch as we'll. New m3 has the dual clutch as the default configuration choice I believe.

I'm glad that at least the cayman and normal 911 still offer the stick shift, but I wonder for how much longer. I have more faith that the "old tech" American cars will offer the stick shift longer than the Europeans will.

-T

Major difference in buyers of Vette/Mustang/Camaro/Challenger compared to buyers of Ferrari/F-Type/GT3.... And price. When you have a car that fast, not having a DCT makes it a bit of a waste from a performance and ability standpoint. DCTs shift faster, typically have more gears, and increase the performance of the car. I don't think we will be seeing manuals much very much longer in performance -driven supercars and exotics.

 

[Backorder]

Major difference in buyers of Vette/Mustang/Camaro/Challenger compared to buyers of Ferrari/F-Type/GT3.... And price. When you have a car that fast, not having a DCT makes it a bit of a waste from a performance and ability standpoint. DCTs shift faster, typically have more gears, and increase the performance of the car. I don't think we will be seeing manuals much very much longer in performance -driven supercars and exotics.

Very good point. It would be best to compare cars that are a little more down to earth...in that aspect, the Audi s5 is available with a manual...but the rs5 is not. Neither bmw not Mercedes offer manual options in any of the 4 series and cla class cars...again, these cars are more luxury based but even the low end models and not the performance m or amg designs don't offer manuals. It's definitely a dieing breed...

EDIT: Well as seen below, I'm dumb. Maybe I should click a few links before pretending to join conversations about cars I'm not familiar with :-D

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[Stuntman]

I'm pretty sure you can get a manual in a 4 series and the M4 comes standard with a 6speed manual.

 

[Backorder]

I'm pretty sure you can get a manual in a 4 series and the M4 comes standard with a 6speed manual.

Yep...failure on my part for not clicking for enough info on beemers website :-D


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[nametoshowothers]

Major difference in buyers of Vette/Mustang/Camaro/Challenger compared to buyers of Ferrari/F-Type/GT3.... And price. When you have a car that fast, not having a DCT makes it a bit of a waste from a performance and ability standpoint. DCTs shift faster, typically have more gears, and increase the performance of the car. I don't think we will be seeing manuals much very much longer in performance -driven supercars and exotics.

So the vette is not a performance car and the jag is?

 

[Dave2013M3]

The DCT tranny in the BMW M5/6 work superb in these cars. These are rated at 560hp/500tq. I have buddies that have 700hp E92 M3s and have had no issues with their DCT trannies. I will agree they are expensive, in fact there is no repair service, BMW just replaces them at $12k a pop.

I am a manual fan myself, my E92 M3 is a manual not a DCT. However, I feel Ford should offer some sort of DCT tranny. As far as SMG, works great at the track, on the street they aren't quite polished enough.

Dave

 

[Dave2013M3]

It's interesting. While there are more manuals in use in the rest if the world, the availability on the higher powered vehicles seems to be less than on American cars. For example, one can still get a manual on the vette, Camaro, mustang, and challenger, but not on ferraris, jaguar f-type, 911 gt3, and I think the manual m5 is only available in the USA. The European mfrs really seem to push the dual clutch as we'll. New m3 has the dual clutch as the default configuration choice I believe.

I'm glad that at least the cayman and normal 911 still offer the stick shift, but I wonder for how much longer. I have more faith that the "old tech" American cars will offer the stick shift longer than the Europeans will.

-T

The GT3 now is a PDK only now...

 

[Dave2013M3]

Yep...failure on my part for not clicking for enough info on beemers website :-D


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This will help you...

http://www.bmwusa.com/default.aspx

 

[Terlingua]

I would argue it is. Manuals are a dying breed.

According to Edmunds, as of 8/2013, only 3.9% of new cars sold in north americ had manual transmissions:

http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/five-myths-about-stick-shifts.html

Kids these days have too many distractions from cell phones to video games. Cars and modifying them isn't as exciting for youth as it use to be.

Correct. Manual = dated technology.

It ain't really a modern race car these days if it doesn't shift from the steering wheel. Z06 now comes with a auto. The Euros have for years. Even Shelby offered some automatic versions back in the day.

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