2016 Camaro

[thePill]

I assume the 6th gen Camaro will debut at Detroit in January, and go on sale towards the end of 2015?

Depending on when Ford decides to introduce the new Model Years for Mustang (when do we reckon we'll see the '16MY Mustang......early to mid 2015) then I suspect the next big bump in performance for the GT will be with Direct Injection. Would that wait for the first refresh (18MY??) or might they introduce it, along with the 10-speed auto, in the '17MY? It might make sense for Ford to make incremental changes, so engine/trans for '17MY and reworked sheet metal for '18MY?

Either way, the 6th gen Camaro will have a year or so on top, before Mustang leapfrogs it again.

Just my thoughts.....

I just seen a render of the 6th Gen. In my opinion, its a HUGE mistake to copy and paste the 5th Gen. Its lazy and shows they don't really have staying power.

People will overlook the 6th Gen, the design is played out. I don't know if I can call it safe or cowardice but, its not an evolutionary design. Its copy and pasted...

I'm hearing there is weight gain in every component group. If they end up not being able to reduce the weight at all, it will be the biggest fail in automotive design history.

It will be real bad if it comes out heavier. With what I heard, it looks tough...

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[tbonez3858]

I was on a forum a couple of days ago that compared the size of the old Camaro and a render of the new Camaros size. If the render is accurate this car is going to look great and be much more comparable to the Mustang in regards to size. Vision appears to be greatly improved and according to the videos the car should be tossable. In as much as I hate Chevy the Camaro is shaping up to be exciting.


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[thePill]

I have seen this before, the render isn't even close.to the real thing. The last render on C5 looks dead on accurate. It looks to be the same as I said about the Mustang, it looks about 20-30% smaller in mass. To me, there is nothing athletic about the 6th Gen, it retained most of its muscle look.

I was on a forum a couple of days ago that compared the size of the old Camaro and a render of the new Camaros size. If the render is accurate this car is going to look great and be much more comparable to the Mustang in regards to size. Vision appears to be greatly improved and according to the videos the car should be tossable. In as much as I hate Chevy the Camaro is shaping up to be exciting.

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[thePill]

A fully loaded GTPP Premium weighed 3815lbs. This is good news... If seen loaded '11-'14 GT's fully loaded at 3750+lbs. The Premium adds in 5 additional speakers and an amp. I'm not sure this 3815 included Recaros but the loaded 3750lbs GTs of old had Recaros equipped. Both the premium and performance packages in 2015 should add more weight than the previous packages.

If you don't need the sound system, save the 70-90lbs and don't get a premium.

 

[tbonez3858]

I have seen this before, the render isn't even close.to the real thing. The last render on C5 looks dead on accurate. It looks to be the same as I said about the Mustang, it looks about 20-30% smaller in mass. To me, there is nothing athletic about the 6th Gen, it retained most of its muscle look.

I agree there are definitely differences in the render and the track photos. It appears the visibility is better from the spy photos and the camo tape job. I'm not sure we know about the size yet. I've heard everything from ATS chassis to the CTS extended chassis being used. The track videos make this car look ridiculously athletic so that would lead me to believe ATS chassis. It's looking good and sounding good so I hope it turns out positive. What Mustang needs is a beast Camaro to compete with. If the Camaro crushes the Mustang what we will get is a better Mustang.

I don't necessarily agree about the weight. The 1le weighs more and gives it to the Boss's around a track. If this car comes with the LT1, alpha chassis, mag suspension at the same weight it will probably be VASTLY superior in SS form than the 1le....and we are hoping the GT PP will beat the 1LE at this point. Even if Camaro holds the line with the current weight disadvantage it will probably show significant gains in the base SS package. Time will tell and we will see. It's all speculation at this point.

 

[likeaboss]

I agree there are definitely differences in the render and the track photos. It appears the visibility is better from the spy photos and the camo tape job. I'm not sure we know about the size yet. I've heard everything from ATS chassis to the CTS extended chassis being used. The track videos make this car look ridiculously athletic so that would lead me to believe ATS chassis. It's looking good and sounding good so I hope it turns out positive. What Mustang needs is a beast Camaro to compete with. If the Camaro crushes the Mustang what we will get is a better Mustang.

I don't necessarily agree about the weight. The 1le weighs more and gives it to the Boss's around a track. If this car comes with the LT1, alpha chassis, mag suspension at the same weight it will probably be VASTLY superior in SS form than the 1le....and we are hoping the GT PP will beat the 1LE at this point. Even if Camaro holds the line with the current weight disadvantage it will probably show significant gains in the base SS package. Time will tell and we will see. It's all speculation at this point.

The 15GT PP lost to the current 1LE. We're screwed when the 16 Camaro hits the streets.

 

[TexArmageddon]

I assume the 6th gen Camaro will debut at Detroit in January, and go on sale towards the end of 2015?

Depending on when Ford decides to introduce the new Model Years for Mustang (when do we reckon we'll see the '16MY Mustang......early to mid 2015) then I suspect the next big bump in performance for the GT will be with Direct Injection. Would that wait for the first refresh (18MY??) or might they introduce it, along with the 10-speed auto, in the '17MY? It might make sense for Ford to make incremental changes, so engine/trans for '17MY and reworked sheet metal for '18MY?

Either way, the 6th gen Camaro will have a year or so on top, before Mustang leapfrogs it again.

Just my thoughts.....

Our refresh years are slightly off people... There is always a 5 year difference before there are major refreshes.. I don't expect to see anything like 2010-11 refresh for quite some time.

05 GT- Released Late 04 and we saw the 10GT late 09.
Major Refresh should be 5 years from now putting the mustang in the 19MY with Rumors popping up of the refresh around the Late 17-18MY. I don't see Ford adding in DI unless everyone flocks to the Camaro for Having it and it gives it a outrageous advantage. If it was me.. If everyone buys my product over the competitors and they had DI and I didn't... I wouldn't bother offering DI immediately. I would if my sales started to taper off though.

Remember people.. the mustang is a Niche car offering great performance with a decent price. Not only with DI increase prices further, but it will add to maintenance. I don't see to many people buying catch cans..

 

[genericuser1]

The 6th gen Camaro styling will be evolutionary so don't expect much of a change. I hope there is a significant change to the interior.

If you look at this photo you can see a huge amount of tape the sides and top of the windshield. Also looks like they have something on the top of the side windows as well.

I'm expecting this to come in 100-200 lbs lighter that a comparably optioned Mustang based on the ATS weight.

 

[TexArmageddon]

The 6th gen Camaro styling will be evolutionary so don't expect much of a change. I hope there is a significant change to the interior.

If you look at this photo you can see a huge amount of tape the sides and top of the windshield. Also looks like they have something on the top of the side windows as well.

I'm expecting this to come in 100-200 lbs lighter that a comparably optioned Mustang based on the ATS weight.

The Pill hasn't it been stated the Camaro will be on the LWB ATS variant? That should put it up there near the CTS sedan which is by no means light. I the bare minimum I expect this car to gain 20-30lbs over the previous model.

 

[thePill]

The Pill hasn't it been stated the Camaro will be on the LWB ATS variant? That should put it up there near the CTS sedan which is by no means light. I the bare minimum I expect this car to gain 20-30lbs over the previous model.

I have no idea what the wheelbase will end up being. The 109 Alpha seems to be more of a possibility not that I have seen the under carriage. Some major things needed to happen in order for the Camaro to lose 200-300lbs. First, the 3 inch reduction in wheelbase from the previous Gen will count for something, it won't be 200-300lbs for sure, you need to use some advance techniques to save that. For example, the C7 was a completely new aluminum space frame and it only saved 99lbs over the C6's platform. People expecting a Camaro that uses a traditional uni-body to drop that much weight just by reducing the wheelbase are in for a shock. The details are not out yet but, I am willing to bet the S550 lost 200lbs in structure weight using an advanced uni-body design with UHSS/Boron/Aluminum. The ATS platform really doesn't make use of any real ground breaking methods to make an Alpha... they just added more alignment holes throughout the body to remove weight. Sure, it is more compact than the Zeta but, remember, the Zeta was born to handle big power, big weight and large engines... The ATS Alpha is not equipped to deal with a V8, a FI V8 or a Convertible body style, all in which adds major weight to the car. In the S197' case, it added 125lbs to the GT to support the GT500 in 2007. In the convertibles case, the 2012 Camaro took on an additional 100lbs (from 3820 to 3920) to support a convertible. We are talking over 200lbs of reinforcement the ATS doesn't have AND could not take on to be lightest in class. This is that compromise I was talking about.

Once we started adding in projected drivetrain weight increases, suspension, tire, wheel and brake increased and, the extra support needed to switch from a 4 door to a 2 door, we are looking at a pretty big chunk. I can't even estimate how much weight will be added for government requirements either... I think a sub-4000lbs 6th Gen V8 may be difficult. If it used a new unibody I could say a possibility exist...

As you guys can see, Caddy already added sub-frame support to the ATS Coupe at the firewall/torque box area. I assume even more support is sandwiched in between the existing steel. This is why an ATS Coupe is 3700lbs with just a V6 Turbo, between the additional support and the turbos, there was 200lbs gained. All while eliminating the rear doors and such.

 

[bwilly]

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=381042

Looks like Chaz has been working the the Camaro also.

 

[Brent302]

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=381042

Looks like Chaz has been working the the Camaro also.

Wow...it's looking softer with every refresh. The 2010 was the best look....this is pretty feminine

 

[1320']

If that is how it may look..I don't dig the curved hood leading edge..

 

[Wildcat]

Guess we'll have to wait till NAIAS to see if they did anything with that awful interior, but after watching those videos this car looks very promising from a performance standpoint. It seemed very planted and nimble.

 

[Tim Hilliard]

If the renders are accurate and the interior is moved upscale the Sales Battle will be very close. If the performance with the new powertrain is what should be expected I think Camaro will do very well. I think it will appeal to the buyers looking for a pony car look. Mustang is going for a broader market and it's revolutionary design will appeal to more import buyers.

This new model is more appealing to me, they dropped the transformers look, it's much more mature and much less boy racer.

I find it amusing the the Camaro Forum has so many members bashing the looks of the car, it's like reading this forum

Where Camaro will fail miserably is in the Dealer experience, in New England, I had to drive an 1.5 hours to find a dealer that didn't make me feel dirty.

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