2016 Camaro - know the details

[68fbjjz109]

Let's put this into a perspective that ANYONE can understand...especially buyers who want what they want.

The Camaro offers all the trims and fixings you could want...with ANY choice of engine. And, by the looks of things, with any choice of transmission. Those are all wins. Everyone looking at a Camaro wins. People who want manual or automatic, 4, 6 or 8 cylinders...there is a car for them.

Ford shot themselves in the foot by restricting those very options. Plain and simple. Just like the morons who write the latest car reviews or auto-blogs, cars shouldn't be limited to transmission choices and options like that. It doesn't make sense both with the market (consumer choices) and more importantly, sales.

I will say, though, Ford isn't the only group doing this...many cars today are limited with crap option groups and only 1 transmission choice (either manual or automatic)...that just doesn't make sense sales wise, at all.

Here is a different take, variations reduce quality and increase cost. If you streamline options, your streamline and focus R&D, production, revisions ect, and have better product lifecycle.

This is how you build a quality product, and are competitive price wise.

How is it Ford can sell a Aluminum twin turbo truck for aournd the same price as steel bodied pushrod powered vehicles?

They amortize cost over long periods, reduce variation, carryover well deigned vetted components cross platform where possible, and forecast effectively. That's why they have more capital one hand than most major OEMs.

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[Spartan]

Here is a different take, variations reduce quality and increase cost. If you streamline options, your streamline and focus R&D, production, revisions ect, and have better product lifecycle.

This is how you build a quality product, and are competitive price wise.

How is it Ford can sell a Aluminum twin turbo truck for aournd the same price as steel bodied pushrod powered vehicles?

They amortize cost over long periods, reduce variation, carryover well deigned vetted components cross platform where possible, and forecast effectively. That's why they have more capital one hand than most major OEMs.

But the types of variations here would not do any of that in terms of things like premium trim, leather, etc. Sure maybe the PP on the V6 but everything else would be no different.

If the reviews so far of just that 1 lap test drive of their '16 Camaro V6 are any indication of whats to come when people really get time behind the wheel, Ford has a challenge on their hand of the mid range model.

I mean if you're someone of an informed buyer, would you want a Turbo 4 and lack of exhaust note or a V6 with a nice exhaust note (according to the reviewers at the reveal test track)? I think most people would go with the latter but that's just me.

 

[ZaneWayne]

But the types of variations here would not do any of that in terms of things like premium trim, leather, etc. Sure maybe the PP on the V6 but everything else would be no different.

If the reviews so far of just that 1 lap test drive of their '16 Camaro V6 are any indication of whats to come when people really get time behind the wheel, Ford has a challenge on their hand of the mid range model.

I mean if you're someone of an informed buyer, would you want a Turbo 4 and lack of exhaust note or a V6 with a nice exhaust note (according to the reviewers at the reveal test track)? I think most people would go with the latter but that's just me.

I'm sure there will be someone come in here taking about how you can tune an EB and it'll kill it. Which is true. But I hate when the conversation turns to who has more money for modifications.

 

[MBrasser22]

But the types of variations here would not do any of that in terms of things like premium trim, leather, etc. Sure maybe the PP on the V6 but everything else would be no different.

If the reviews so far of just that 1 lap test drive of their '16 Camaro V6 are any indication of whats to come when people really get time behind the wheel, Ford has a challenge on their hand of the mid range model.

I mean if you're someone of an informed buyer, would you want a Turbo 4 and lack of exhaust note or a V6 with a nice exhaust note (according to the reviewers at the reveal test track)? I think most people would go with the latter but that's just me.

First of all, who is to say that a turbo 4 can't sound good? Sure it's obviously not a NA exhaust note but it can still be made to be more muscle-ly just as a V6 can.

Also this has been really bugging me since those test drives of the new V6 Camaro. I have not read further in to it and there may be documentation otherwise. BUT who the hell says that the exhaust on the V6's driven at the reveal test track is a FINAL PRODUCTION exhaust that would be standard on a V6 model, or even a PP model V6?

Ford played with their audience as well throwing Borlas on some GT's when some videos were leaked of the car after it had been released, and when some in-cabin virtual ride alongs on tracks the GT's used had FRPP exhausts thrown on. Then you get in your GT when you buy it and huh..weird. It's quiet with that fat ass resonator down there.

I would venture to guess that the exhaust on those cars driven would not be final production exhausts. Find me documentation otherwise and I will gladly accept defeat.

 

[Spartan]

I'm sure there will be someone come in here taking about how you can tune an EB and it'll kill it. Which is true. But I hate when the conversation turns to who has more money for modifications.

Yah once you start talking modifications, then its not even talking about the same thing anymore. When you see someone spend $5-10K on mods then it makes you go "why didn't you just get the V8 at that point?"

First of all, who is to say that a turbo 4 can't sound good? Sure it's obviously not a NA exhaust note but it can still be made to be more muscle-ly just as a V6 can.

Also this has been really bugging me since those test drives of the new V6 Camaro. I have not read further in to it and there may be documentation otherwise. BUT who the hell says that the exhaust on the V6's driven at the reveal test track is a FINAL PRODUCTION exhaust that would be standard on a V6 model, or even a PP model V6?

Ford played with their audience as well throwing Borlas on some GT's when some videos were leaked of the car after it had been released, and when some in-cabin virtual ride alongs on tracks the GT's used had FRPP exhausts thrown on. Then you get in your GT when you buy it and huh..weird. It's quiet with that fat ass resonator down there.

I would venture to guess that the exhaust on those cars driven would not be final production exhausts. Find me documentation otherwise and I will gladly accept defeat.

In one of the videos, someone said they had the active exhaust on the '16 V6 prototypes.

But you have to admit, a V6 is just going to sound better and if it sounded good in the prototypes then obviously you'd think it would only get better in the finals right? I think their V6 is going to surprise a lot of people. It's a good all around car for those that don't want a super performance 430+ HP car but still get something that feels like a muscle/pony car and have that sound. Only time will tell us.

Look I'd be first in line for a V6 Mustang with premium trim and the PP. Prob is Ford doesn't want me or anyone else to have that.

As for the EB sound, everything is opinion...but they'll never sound like a V6 or V8.

 

[Katastrophe]

Here is a different take, variations reduce quality and increase cost. If you streamline options, your streamline and focus R&D, production, revisions ect, and have better product lifecycle.

This is how you build a quality product, and are competitive price wise.

How is it Ford can sell a Aluminum twin turbo truck for aournd the same price as steel bodied pushrod powered vehicles?

They amortize cost over long periods, reduce variation, carryover well deigned vetted components cross platform where possible, and forecast effectively. That's why they have more capital one hand than most major OEMs.

I hear what you're saying, but I disagree with a few things.

The only reason options were really discontinued (REAL stand alone options, like they had in the old days) is because the Japanese came along with their method, of pricing things together in groups. This allowed them to charge less for their product.

So, I will agree, stand alone options CAN be pricier. If QC does a proper job, quality shouldn't be impacted anyway. It's not like anything being put on the car is new to the workers...it's just packaged with a different engine...

However, not having any options available for the V6 and no performance package for an automatic, limits sales...and makes no sense. Especially, in the case of the automatic comment, they did that for the LE's and for the EURO Mustangs.

GM did the same stupid thing with the automatic equipped Camaro V6's...gave them open differentials. Now that is something that better be fixed with the 2016 year...

 

[Spartan]

I hear what you're saying, but I disagree with a few things.

The only reason options were really discontinued (REAL stand alone options, like they had in the old days) is because the Japanese came along with their method, of pricing things together in groups. This allowed them to charge less for their product.

So, I will agree, stand alone options CAN be pricier. If QC does a proper job, quality shouldn't be impacted anyway. It's not like anything being put on the car is new to the workers...it's just packaged with a different engine...

However, not having any options available for the V6 and no performance package for an automatic, limits sales...and makes no sense. Especially, in the case of the automatic comment, they did that for the LE's and for the EURO Mustangs.

GM did the same stupid thing with the automatic equipped Camaro V6's...gave them open differentials. Now that is something that better be fixed with the 2016 year...

No V6 options...just dumb. Yah the no Auto PP is just absurd. Euro has them. LE has them. My guess again Ford is saving it for 3rd model year to say "look what we did"...

Over on the Camaro6g forums they have a lot of information posted already, gearing for the Manual/Auto, etc.

 

[1320']

No V6 options...just dumb. Yah the no Auto PP is just absurd. Euro has them. LE has them. My guess again Ford is saving it for 3rd model year to say "look what we did"...

Over on the Camaro6g forums they have a lot of information posted already, gearing for the Manual/Auto, etc.

But little about base model info, prices, etc.

They're already clamoring for HiPo models

 

[OppoLock]

No V6 options...just dumb. Yah the no Auto PP is just absurd. Euro has them. LE has them. My guess again Ford is saving it for 3rd model year to say "look what we did"...

Over on the Camaro6g forums they have a lot of information posted already, gearing for the Manual/Auto, etc.

You don't seem to like the S550 anymore, man. :(

 

[Colleton]

You don't seem to like the S550 anymore, man. :(

He's been trolling this place hard for the Camaro.

 

[Katastrophe]

Yeah, I'm not sure why they're already bitching for a HiPo model like the 1LE...I know we can't believe everything that's been said...but if we're going off GM's word on this 2016 Camaro performing on par with last years 1LE...I don't see why they would want more at this time.

The 1LE is already the leader in track performance (factory stock) of the "big three"...if this new Camaro is on par, they've already done a hell of a job.

I'm very interested to see where GM is going to price the 2016...up here in Canada, option for option, the 2015 Mustang already undercuts the 2015 Camaro by a few $K. If they raise the price even more, it's not going to be financially worth it...much like the SRT products up here. The bare bones, base model Scat Pack is already more money than a GT Premium...

 

[Spartan]

He's been trolling this place hard for the Camaro.

Having any factual or logical discussion about 2 models of car is not trolling...God Forbid its in a vs thread even. Stop being a clown.

 

[Spartan]

You don't seem to like the S550 anymore, man. :(

I love the S550 dude but the issue is camaro came out with a much better first year model package then the mustang did.

So I can actually commend another brand for doing more with their new MY then Ford did in 2 years. Ford should already have a better trsnsmission but they don't.

When Ford puts the 10 speed on the mustang that's when I'll buy mine.

 

[Colleton]

Having any factual or logical discussion about 2 models of car is not trolling...God Forbid its in a vs thread even. Stop being a clown.

Calling it how I see it. The only posts of yours I see are you running down the Mustang and extolling the virtues of the Camaro.

 

[04SloSnake]

Having any factual or logical discussion about 2 models of car is not trolling...God Forbid its in a vs thread even. Stop being a clown.

Yeah, but you post garbage in every thread on the forum now. The Camero is uglier than the one it replaced and still won't live up to the hype. Remember when the ZL1 was going to dominate the GT500? Too bad it got beat up on the street by Coyote powered cars. I have literally never seen a pair of 5th Gen taillights even when I "should" have.

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