2015 GT in the Snow???

[Spartan]

Sure...understand. One word on the wheels - I am pretty sure you are aware of the order guide saying "gloss black" even though there have been photos of that wheel in the grey color, especially since you started that poll thread



No, not at all. I think there are others who want that option who would not necessarily go and use it for anything other than street driving. It's a good value for the money to get increased performance potential, even if it is used sparingly or not at all on a track. As metnioned above, the summer tire compound would help you stop in shorter distances on the road, and that is surely a benefit! The main consideration in a street driving situation is that the tire compound will lose its ability to grip in lower temperatures.

In my opinion, it is important to plan for that situation with another set of wheels and tires, or as you suggest, go with all-seasons. Since you live in DC, and you get pretty good snow amounts, the optimum would be to have a second set of wheels with snow tires. Tire Rack shows Bridgestone Blizzaks for the rear but not the front sizes, but I suspect that will change in the future.

For a street driver in the snow, it has been my experience that you can drive on all-seasons in cold, damp, and light snow (3-4" or less) road surfaces if you use caution and let the stability control do its work if it intervenes. However, if you get more snow than that regularly, then snow tires are engineered to grip even better because of their tread pattern and the compound.

The main reasons I personally did not choose the PP is for tire maintenance and the ability to rotate wheels and tires. Those considerations are more important to me than the other features of the PP, even though I think it is a very nice packaging of cool features. I could not justify spending the money for how I would use the car and the tire maintenance considerations.

Thanks Tony.

Just to clarify, I'm getting the EB Premium, not the GT, so the tires would all be the same size.

Also regarding the black, we've seen a bunch of newer pics that suggest the EB PP is getting 19" gunmetal, while the GT PP is getting the 19" black...so the poll is only for the GT people now really.

Surprising, in DC, we usually get a bad snow every 3 years and then barely anything for a few years. If anything, it's just cold, and I was reading that the summer tires could be damaged in 40 below...is that true?

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[DivineStrike]

Thanks Tony.

Just to clarify, I'm getting the EB Premium, not the GT, so the tires would all be the same size.

Also regarding the black, we've seen a bunch of newer pics that suggest the EB PP is getting 19" gunmetal, while the GT PP is getting the 19" black...so the poll is only for the GT people now really.

Surprising, in DC, we usually get a bad snow every 3 years and then barely anything for a few years. If anything, it's just cold, and I was reading that the summer tires could be damaged in 40 below...is that true?

I've driven with summer tires plenty of times in temps well below 40 and haven't noticed any physical damage to them. Although they do get as hard as rocks lol. Which is why you really shouldn't use them in those temps. Maybe below 40 the compound changes and never gets back to normal, I dunno just assumption at that point.

 

[Spartan]

I've driven with summer tires plenty of times in temps well below 40 and haven't noticed any physical damage to them. Although they do get as hard as rocks lol. Which is why you really should use them in those temps. Maybe below 40 the compound changes and never gets back to normal, I dunno just assumption at that point.

Wait don't use them or use them when they are hard as rocks?

 

[souprmage]

Pretty sure he meant "shouldn't use them in those temps", as that makes more sense.

 

[DivineStrike]

Pretty sure he meant "shouldn't use them in those temps", as that makes more sense.

correct, my bad. I have now edited my original post.

Wait don't use them or use them when they are hard as rocks?

when they get cold. And you shouldn't use them, you can but traction is very limited. I would guess traction with a summer tire in well below 40 deg temps would be close to driving on wet asphalt. Maybe not quite as bad but definitely limited. I would guess the below 40 recommendation is more of a worry of ice as they would be like slicks on ice.

Only experience I have with summer style tires in snow and ice is with a set of Hankook Ventus HR II's (kind of a predecessor to the Ventus RS2 but not nearly as good) on my focus and it lasted me through a mild winter in Baltimore with a decent bit of snow. But going up a hill on an unplowed road was tricky. It was easy to get stuck and I did one time, but I never slid down the hill. Then again that was a fwd focus. I probably wouldn't try it in a mustang.

 

[Spartan]

correct, my bad. I have now edited my original post.



when they get cold. And you shouldn't use them, you can but traction is very limited. I would guess traction with a summer tire in well below 40 deg temps would be close to driving on wet asphalt. Maybe not quite as bad but definitely limited. I would guess the below 40 recommendation is more of a worry of ice as they would be like slicks on ice.

Yah that's what I thought..lol.

Since the dealer I'm going to buy this from is owned by my friends wife's father, I'm sure I could get all weather's put on vs the summers. I doubt personally I would notice much of a difference vs those that are more performance drivers.

 

[Grimace427]

Yah that's what I thought..lol.

Since the dealer I'm going to buy this from is owned by my friends wife's father, I'm sure I could get all weather's put on vs the summers. I doubt personally I would notice much of a difference vs those that are more performance drivers.

I would have let you drive my car on summer tires over this last winter but it's obviously too warm now. Quality summer tires still work fine when it's cold outside, they just don't offer as high performance as they would when it's warm. The Pirelli PZero summer tires however are the most susceptible to changes in temps.

 

[BackInBlack]

I plan on driving my '15 with winter tires. Ordered the PP, and will use those for summer, and buy a set of used rims and new winter tires for when the snow flies. I had a set of Michelin X-Ice on my '06 GT, and made a hugh difference in traction. My daughter's '02 V6 had good all-seasons on it, and it was scary to drive. Found a set of used 1 year-old Yokohama snows, and literally transformed the car - night and day difference. I highly suggest a second set of wheels/tires if you have the space to store them.

 

[Skoog]

I ordered the 20" wheels but I have zero need for summer tires. Is is possible to get the dealer to swap them out for all seasons at little or no cost? Has anyone had experience doing something like that before?

 

[Tony Alonso]

Thanks Tony.

Just to clarify, I'm getting the EB Premium, not the GT, so the tires would all be the same size.

Got ya - yes, and there are Pirelli all-season tires in that size out there on Tire Rack now.

Also regarding the black, we've seen a bunch of newer pics that suggest the EB PP is getting 19" gunmetal, while the GT PP is getting the 19" black...so the poll is only for the GT people now really.

Understand...however, this will mess up my plan to buy black EcoBoost PP wheels for my GT assuming this is it. As you know, the order guide currently released says "gloss black" but, of course, it could very much be the ride-along cars are it.

Surprising, in DC, we usually get a bad snow every 3 years and then barely anything for a few years. If anything, it's just cold, and I was reading that the summer tires could be damaged in 40 below...is that true?

That has been the experience of some of the people who are using the Michelin tires that come on the C7 Corvette. Some of the owners have reported seeing cracking in the tread or sidewall, if I recall correctly.

As posted above, more of what I've seen with the Pirelli summers on the current Mustang is that they lose grip and you get...slip!

All-seasons might be suitable if you are going to run them year-round and the snow levels are manageable. For reference, I have used the Pirelli all-seasons on my 2010 through this past winter, when it was exceedingly cold and I did not experience any slip with normal driving and smooth throttle and brake inputs. They also moved through the snow when it was 4-5 inches, again with driving while respecting the conditions.

 

[Frizzle]

That has been the experience of some of the people who are using the Michelin tires that come on the C7 Corvette. Some of the owners have reported seeing cracking in the tread or sidewall, if I recall correctly.

As posted above, more of what I've seen with the Pirelli summers on the current Mustang is that they lose grip and you get...slip!

All-seasons might be suitable if you are going to run them year-round and the snow levels are manageable. For reference, I have used the Pirelli all-seasons on my 2010 through this past winter, when it was exceedingly cold and I did not experience any slip with normal driving and smooth throttle and brake inputs. They also moved through the snow when it was 4-5 inches, again with driving while respecting the conditions.

Summer tires may be damaged when used in temperatures below 40F. The C7 drivers over on corvette forum have been experiancing cracking and damage to their tires while driving them when its cold out.

 

[Tony Alonso]

Summer tires may be damaged when used in temperatures below 40F.

Some models, yes...

 

[Spartan]

Summer tires may be damaged when used in temperatures below 40F. The C7 drivers over on corvette forum have been experiancing cracking and damage to their tires while driving them when its cold out.

Some models, yes...

Hmm..considering the majority of the US experiences cold weather for at least 4-6 months, I wish Ford would give us the option of All Seasons, even on the PP.

I know that is sacrilegious, because of the grip/performance lost, but a lot of us new Mustang owners are getting the car for our main/daily car don't want to deal with dual sets of tires (like I'm sure most previous owners are use to doing).

And with this being in Europe, I wonder how they plan on marketing it over there, because they definitely have worst weather year round then the USA.

 

[Spartan]

Got ya - yes, and there are Pirelli all-season tires in that size out there on Tire Rack now.

Which ones were you looking at (recommend)? I see 4 sets (2 look the same)...which would you consider? Seems the Pirelli Cinturato P7 All Season Plus gets really good reviews/rating.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...4WR90NAS&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...9CP7ASXL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...=54VR9P6&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

 

[Tony Alonso]

Which ones were you looking at (recommend)? I see 4 sets (2 look the same)...which would you consider?

Assuming my 19" wheel choice is available (black EcoBoost PP wheels), I would get the P-Zero Nero A/S. I have had multiple sets of these on my current 2010 GT and have been pleased for a daily driver. Again, I have not used these in any sort of high performance driving situation. My first set lasted 40,000 miles and this current set is on track for almost the same. I haven't noticed any significant concerns with noise or daily driving traction.

At $202 as currently listed on Tire Rack, that's a decent starting price, which likely will reduce as production ramps up.

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