2015-2016 Tech Pack and Base GT350 Cooler Solution Discussion

[Steve68]

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[Screamer]

I wish all my packages arrived looking this clean, strapped to a pallet, and wheeled in to my garage on a pallet jack. The label holds promise for the future.

Almost there!

 

[Steve68]

Look, a pump!

[ame]

 

[crazyfish]

As Deysha ( Ford service) has said.. If your having issues with street driving she can't help unless its documented. That may take multiple trips to the dealer.

Guess what. Doesn't matter. My car has gone into limp mode 3 times. 2/with me at the wheel in super heavy stop and go Chicago traffic and 1 time I picked up my car from dealer and at start up car is in limp mode. Told dealer to document. They couldn't find out why? BS because they don't want it documented.

Guess what a fiend has this $20k+ software and was able to pull info off the PCM eprom memory to find out why my car went into limp mode. 2 times in traffic were coolant temp overheat warning threshold. The other time from dealer was rev attempt over acceptable threshold before oil temp is at 200 degrees. You need the full diagnostics software for actual answers not a code scanner. Also I was told by Ford corporate most dealers don't have the full blown program and computer because of cost. So dealer pulls up code and reports code but 7-10 things fall under that code. If they have full program you can pull ALL info I think up to 200 or so hours of data with all dtc's stored.

I believe you get a good car or bad car. Some of us have mechanical and some have cosmetic. It seems all of us got a problem. Just horrible QC across the board. I think all gt350's should have trans and diff coolers because this is a Shelby? Also the marketing did say most track capable ever? I am sure Carroll is rolling in his grave over this.

I want them for longevity. Just better life of car.

 

[Side_Pce]

I'm going to wait on what Ford has to offer. Not sure buying a new trans is necessary at this point. I may seek the help of a friend of mine and CNC a bracket for an external pump + factory radiator/lines.

 

[Screamer]

Guess what. Doesn't matter. My car has gone into limp mode 3 times. 2/with me at the wheel in super heavy stop and go Chicago traffic and 1 time I picked up my car from dealer and at start up car is in limp mode. Told dealer to document. They couldn't find out why? BS because they don't want it documented.

Guess what a fiend has this $20k+ software and was able to pull info off the PCM eprom memory to find out why my car went into limp mode. 2 times in traffic were coolant temp overheat warning threshold. The other time from dealer was rev attempt over acceptable threshold before oil temp is at 200 degrees. You need the full diagnostics software for actual answers not a code scanner. Also I was told by Ford corporate most dealers don't have the full blown program and computer because of cost. So dealer pulls up code and reports code but 7-10 things fall under that code. If they have full program you can pull ALL info I think up to 200 or so hours of data with all dtc's stored.

I believe you get a good car or bad car. Some of us have mechanical and some have cosmetic. It seems all of us got a problem. Just horrible QC across the board. I think all gt350's should have trans and diff coolers because this is a Shelby? Also the marketing did say most track capable ever? I am sure Carroll is rolling in his grave over this.

I want them for longevity. Just better life of car.

All brands of dealerships have serious problems. The Pure greed that rules the managment has caused all the real mechanics to flee to or go on thier own.
By the time the service writer, service manager, the porter, get their commission, the dealership gets the profit, What trickles down to the only real professional in the building thats expected to own $50,grand worth of tools, Continually train and update to keep up with ever more complex cars has the honor of doing it for $16 an hour.
They pack it up and go paint houses. The result is you end up with some monkey that can 't find his way to work five days in a row pounding on your $70,000 car with a hammer he bought at the flea market.

A professional mechanic could make a decent living
I made $25 an hour ( 50/50 ) split with dealer at $50 25 years ago. Those days are long gone.

I firmly believe the the technology has reached the point that The cars that have issues may not be repairable.

I look at my new GT350 that has two miles of wire, 9 different ecu's in the kick panels, under the seats, under the floor, under the trunk. A central nervous system more complex than a '70's moon rocket, 14 electric motors, 16 different switches , sealed digital liquid chrystal displays and think... about the three year warranty. What happens when its five years old and a puff of smoke shoots out from under the dash?

Will the Ford dealer that has a "tech" that"s fresh off a two day binge have the skill to repair it?

I fear we all have whats shaping up a very expensive problem.


The classic cars that have become valuable were made of metal, windows that operated with a crank, A wire harness with 18 wires in it. A carb that you fix with a can of gumout. They age gracefully, Can be repainted, replated, rewired, rebuilt buy a guy with a tool box.

I fear our new cars are not going to age well at all. Tha massive amount of recyclable plastic will sag, distort, fall apart, Where do we go for parts in 7-8 years. I'm sure autozone will have a ecu for a air conditioned seat ( it has two) in a '16 shelby ?


I'm not sure i like my car.

 

[5.0 435]

All brands of dealerships have serious problems. The Pure greed that rules the managment has caused all the real mechanics to flee to or go on thier own.
By the time the service writer, service manager, the porter, get their commission, the dealership gets the profit, What trickles down to the only real professional in the building thats expected to own $50,grand worth of tools, Continually train and update to keep up with ever more complex cars has the honor of doing it for $16 an hour.
They pack it up and go paint houses. The result is you end up with some monkey that can 't find his way to work five days in a row pounding on your $70,000 car with a hammer he bought at the flea market.

A professional mechanic could make a decent living
I made $25 an hour ( 50/50 ) split with dealer at $50 25 years ago. Those days are long gone.

I firmly believe the the technology has reached the point that The cars that have issues may not be repairable.

I look at my new GT350 that has two miles of wire, 9 different ecu's in the kick panels, under the seats, under the floor, under the trunk. A central nervous system more complex than a '70's moon rocket, 14 electric motors, 16 different switches , sealed digital liquid chrystal displays and think... about the three year warranty. What happens when its five years old and a puff of smoke shoots out from under the dash?

Will the Ford dealer that has a "tech" that"s fresh off a two day binge have the skill to repair it?

I'm fear we all have whats shaping up a very expensive problem.


The classic cars that have become valuable were made of metal, windows that operated with a crank, A wire harness with 18 wires in it. A carb that you fix with a can of gumout. They age gracefully, Can be repainted, replated, rewired, rebuilt buy a guy with a tool box.

I fear our new cars are not going to age well at all. Tha massive amount of recyclable plastic will sag, distort, fall apart, Where do we go for parts in 7-8 years. I'm sure autozone will have a ecu for a air conditioned seat ( it has two) in a '16 shelby ?


I'm not sure i like my car.

Sell it before you have a heart attack.

 

[Screamer]

Sell it before you have a heart attack.

The plan is dump it well before its third birthday.

 

[Minn19]

All brands of dealerships have serious problems. The Pure greed that rules the managment has caused all the real mechanics to flee to or go on thier own.
By the time the service writer, service manager, the porter, get their commission, the dealership gets the profit, What trickles down to the only real professional in the building thats expected to own $50,grand worth of tools, Continually train and update to keep up with ever more complex cars has the honor of doing it for $16 an hour.
They pack it up and go paint houses. The result is you end up with some monkey that can 't find his way to work five days in a row pounding on your $70,000 car with a hammer he bought at the flea market.

A professional mechanic could make a decent living
I made $25 an hour ( 50/50 ) split with dealer at $50 25 years ago. Those days are long gone.

I firmly believe the the technology has reached the point that The cars that have issues may not be repairable.

I look at my new GT350 that has two miles of wire, 9 different ecu's in the kick panels, under the seats, under the floor, under the trunk. A central nervous system more complex than a '70's moon rocket, 14 electric motors, 16 different switches , sealed digital liquid chrystal displays and think... about the three year warranty. What happens when its five years old and a puff of smoke shoots out from under the dash?

Will the Ford dealer that has a "tech" that"s fresh off a two day binge have the skill to repair it?

I fear we all have whats shaping up a very expensive problem.


The classic cars that have become valuable were made of metal, windows that operated with a crank, A wire harness with 18 wires in it. A carb that you fix with a can of gumout. They age gracefully, Can be repainted, replated, rewired, rebuilt buy a guy with a tool box.

I fear our new cars are not going to age well at all. Tha massive amount of recyclable plastic will sag, distort, fall apart, Where do we go for parts in 7-8 years. I'm sure autozone will have a ecu for a air conditioned seat ( it has two) in a '16 shelby ?


I'm not sure i like my car.

And yet, somehow cars are overall more reliable than ever before and last longer without major maintenance. :shrug:

It is a shame that we don't seem to want to pay skilled people a decent wage anymore in this country. :doh:

 

[lemers]

All brands of dealerships have serious problems. The Pure greed that rules the managment has caused all the real mechanics to flee to or go on thier own.
By the time the service writer, service manager, the porter, get their commission, the dealership gets the profit, What trickles down to the only real professional in the building thats expected to own $50,grand worth of tools, Continually train and update to keep up with ever more complex cars has the honor of doing it for $16 an hour.
They pack it up and go paint houses. The result is you end up with some monkey that can 't find his way to work five days in a row pounding on your $70,000 car with a hammer he bought at the flea market.

A professional mechanic could make a decent living
I made $25 an hour ( 50/50 ) split with dealer at $50 25 years ago. Those days are long gone.

I firmly believe the the technology has reached the point that The cars that have issues may not be repairable.

I look at my new GT350 that has two miles of wire, 9 different ecu's in the kick panels, under the seats, under the floor, under the trunk. A central nervous system more complex than a '70's moon rocket, 14 electric motors, 16 different switches , sealed digital liquid chrystal displays and think... about the three year warranty. What happens when its five years old and a puff of smoke shoots out from under the dash?

Will the Ford dealer that has a "tech" that"s fresh off a two day binge have the skill to repair it?

I fear we all have whats shaping up a very expensive problem.


The classic cars that have become valuable were made of metal, windows that operated with a crank, A wire harness with 18 wires in it. A carb that you fix with a can of gumout. They age gracefully, Can be repainted, replated, rewired, rebuilt buy a guy with a tool box.

I fear our new cars are not going to age well at all. Tha massive amount of recyclable plastic will sag, distort, fall apart, Where do we go for parts in 7-8 years. I'm sure autozone will have a ecu for a air conditioned seat ( it has two) in a '16 shelby ?


I'm not sure i like my car.

A lot of those concern are problems across the board. I don't know what car buying strategy to pursue if you want to avoid them. A new car with a all inclusive warranty that covers everything, knowing your a going to dump it at the end of the warranty.

The issues with the GT350 with the heat in the trans was most likely known by ford performance that it was going to be a problem. With margins so limited with driving it hard, ford took a risk to push out a car that has inherent heating problems stemming from their design.

In my opinion as a customer, Ford didn't meet there promises with certain versions of this car.

No where does Ford say that a MUstang GT will last longer while driving them to their capabilities.

How dealers treat their mechanics is completely unknown for me. All I know is that the cost of labor is get to $80 and hour in some places.

 

[5.0 435]

I agree with screamer ...sell or buy a 350 track pack before the warranty runs out. And buy a used one which has never been in the shop.

 

[Epiphany]

Can you take a clear photo of both the white label atop the trans as well as the metal tag attached to the side? I have photos of mine and am trying to discern if Ford Parts and Service is adding nomenclature to this since it was sold by FR and not them.

And did you get it from Buyfordracing?

 

[Screamer]

How dealers treat their mechanics is completely unknown for me. All I know is that the cost of labor is get to $80 and hour in some places.

All of the dealers here are $150 per hour.

 

[lemers]

All of the dealers here are $150 per hour.

I've been out of the states for a while so I'm likely dated on labor costs

 

[Rorysbrown]

Just a thought

Just a thought here.

Assuming the external pump is not noisy and does the job, perhaps an external pump might be a better long term solution for us Tech Package guys? It would be easy to replace. Who knows what the quality is of the internal pump transmission option and sure would be expensive to replace without any long term warranty. The factory installed ones would have the 3 year warranty coverage for the pump or probably the 5 year power train warranty.

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