19x11 Front Fitment

[Need4SpeedMotors]

Norm is right testing is a big thing, that's why I have not released any info as of yet im still working on testing out possibilities of what ifs and such.

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[Norm Peterson]

To run a square setup like that will look like crap. The back will POKE OUT a lot.

Right there is one way of telling where you are on a scale of what matters that looks something like this ↓↓↓

Appearance only ← ← ← ← ← ← ← ← ← ← ← ← ||| → → → → → → → → → → → → Performance only


FWIW, when you put together a performance tire & wheel combination that works but clashes with conventional standards concerning appearance, it can take on an insider's opinion of looking just right for the job expected of it.


Norm

 

[Need4SpeedMotors]

Imo if it works and fits and is meant for a job then its good with me.

 

[tyshenry]

A 19 x 11 inch will work with a +29 or +30 offset in the front. That is as high an offset you can go, or you will hit the stock strut body. The +29 will have similar wheel to strut clearance as mine. The +30 is slightly less strut to wheel clearance than mine (but should still work, depending on the wheel and the lip to inside bead dimension. The tire will need to be slightly narrow for the wheel (i.e. stretched, as the tire will bulge a little past the wheel if you go too wide.

To run a square setup like that will look like crap. The back will POKE OUT a lot. So you will need to have a different offset in the rear regardless. In my honest opinion, I think the widest square setup you can run is the one I am running. Mine pokes out a little in the rear and uses all the space available in the front due to strut clearance.

Brian

I thought that you had over a 1/4" of clearance in the front with the 10.5" +35?

And why would the back poke out a lot? Theoretically it should stick out .65mm less that your setup I thought.

 

[Waldorf]

Right there is one way of telling where you are on a scale of what matters that looks something like this ↓↓↓

Appearance only ← ← ← ← ← ← ← ← ← ← ← ← ||| → → → → → → → → → → → → Performance only


FWIW, when you put together a performance tire & wheel combination that works but clashes with conventional standards concerning appearance, it can take on an insider's opinion of looking just right for the job expected of it. Norm

Exactly! Gotta have the right tool for the right job. Winning at car shows isn't quite the same as winning at the track, although they're both done with automobiles.

Like the program setup!

That is all...

 

[Toothless]

I thought that you had over a 1/4" of clearance in the front with the 10.5" +35?

And why would the back poke out a lot? Theoretically it should stick out .65mm less that your setup I thought.

I have about a 1/4" clearance with the wheel to strut body in the front. The tire is closer and it's a 285 width.

The wheel will sit out further by (12.7 mm divided by 2) + difference in offset from mine.

So a 19x11 +29 would stick out more than mine by 6.35 mm + 6mm = 12.35 or ~ 1/2".

So another 1/2" further out on the wheel, and a little further out for the wider tire im sure you want to run. That would poke a little in the front and a lot in the rear. I think the front would be ok. But people commented that mine poked out too much in the rear. So that's why I said what I did. It would stick out another 1/2" more than mine. I think you would want some flares in the rear. I went as wide as I could fit and still look good. Some thought I pushed the envelope in the rear. But it's just right to me.

 

[tyshenry]

I have about a 1/4" clearance with the wheel to strut body in the front. The tire is closer and it's a 285 width.

The wheel will sit out further by (12.7 mm divided by 2) + difference in offset from mine.

So a 19x11 +29 would stick out more than mine by 6.35 mm + 6mm = 12.35 or ~ 1/2".

So another 1/2" further out on the wheel, and a little further out for the wider tire im sure you want to run. That would poke a little in the front and a lot in the rear. I think the front would be ok. But people commented that mine poked out too much in the rear. So that's why I said what I did. It would stick out another 1/2" more than mine. I think you would want some flares in the rear. I went as wide as I could fit and still look good. Some thought I pushed the envelope in the rear. But it's just right to me.

I think we have a bit of a disconnect here.

While I plan( hope?) to run the same offset wheel front and rear, I would use a spacer upfront. As I said earlier, I am thinking that a 19x11 +42 would be doable. In the rear that would actually bring the outside of the wheel 0.65mm IN from your fitment. And in the front, with a 10mm spacer, it would stick out 9.35mm further and have 3.35mm less clearance to the strut. So "theoretically" I would still have 2.65mm clearance to the strut, and a bit of poke in the front.

Idk, maybe I need to think about it more. I am very tempted to just order a damn set of forgestars and try though.

 

[Need4SpeedMotors]

Im here to help brtha, resent a pm with some statistics for you.

 

[RustedAngel]

Dusold won't get into it because Vorshlag won't let them. And Vorshlag won't get into it because they want their offsets to be proprietary.

What they have no idea about, however, is what would make a 19x11 fit, and I know this for a fact, as I called and spoke to them for about half a hour, ready on spot to purchase 19x11s from them if they had the specs available.

Without replacing the struts or running a weird tire size not befitting the 11" width, I'm fairly convinced 10.5" is the widest that's possible, readily available.

It's a shame, too, as I hate those CF5s, but CF10s aren't available in 18s to fit over the PP brakes.

So I think I'm about to go HRE Flowform with a 18 X 10.5 setup, and do 295/30s to pull off the desired square setup.

 

[Need4SpeedMotors]

Dusold won't get into it because Vorshlag won't let them. And Vorshlag won't get into it because they want their offsets to be proprietary.

What they have no idea about, however, is what would make a 19x11 fit, and I know this for a fact, as I called and spoke to them for about half a hour, ready on spot to purchase 19x11s from them if they had the specs available.

Without replacing the struts or running a weird tire size not befitting the 11" width, I'm fairly convinced 10.5" is the widest that's possible, readily available.

It's a shame, too, as I hate those CF5s, but CF10s aren't available in 18s to fit over the PP brakes.

So I think I'm about to go HRE Flowform with a 18 X 10.5 setup, and do 295/30s to pull off the desired square setup.

Hopefully tomorrow im doing a 19x11 test fit on a GT PP to see what is necessary and such, but the HRE wheels are def a badass choice.

 

[908ssp]

You guys do know that many track cars run steering stops on the rack so you cannot turn the wheels as far as stock. You don't need to on the track and that it keeps the tires from hitting the inner wheel well.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Sure, and even the stock S197 had steering stops fitted at the factory on cars destined to get the 18" wheels.

Still more restrictive stops are probably fine for pure track cars. Not necessarily so for dual-purpose cars that see a fair amount of normal street driving.


Norm

 

[Toothless]

I think we have a bit of a disconnect here.

While I plan( hope?) to run the same offset wheel front and rear, I would use a spacer upfront. As I said earlier, I am thinking that a 19x11 +42 would be doable. In the rear that would actually bring the outside of the wheel 0.65mm IN from your fitment. And in the front, with a 10mm spacer, it would stick out 9.35mm further and have 3.35mm less clearance to the strut. So "theoretically" I would still have 2.65mm clearance to the strut, and a bit of poke in the front.

Idk, maybe I need to think about it more. I am very tempted to just order a damn set of forgestars and try though.

Yes. I didn't read well. Your idea will work. Run the 19x11 +42. Will work.good in rear. And a 12 to 14 mm spacer up.front and you should be fine. Total offset in front needs to be 28 to 30 after spacer. +42 should be perfect in the rear.

Brian

 

[tyshenry]

Yes. I didn't read well. Your idea will work. Run the 19x11 +42. Will work.good in rear. And a 12 to 14 mm spacer up.front and you should be fine. Total offset in front needs to be 28 to 30 after spacer. +42 should be perfect in the rear.

Brian

There's a lot of inner clearance on your rears, right?

I was thinking maybe go a bit higher offset, like 45 and then a 15mm spacer up front.

I'm about |'| close to pulling the trigger and giving it a try. I guess I'll give N4SM a bit more time to test a 19x11 up front

 

[Toothless]

There's a lot of inner clearance on your rears, right?

I was thinking maybe go a bit higher offset, like 45 and then a 15mm spacer up front.

I'm about |'| close to pulling the trigger and giving it a try. I guess I'll give N4SM a bit more time to test a 19x11 up front

Yes. The rear offset for me was dictated by the outside of the wheel. The +43 in my wheel was the perfect offset for the rear, and I could have/should have gone that route. That would have brought the outside of my wheel in 8 more mm. So you should be able to easily fit the 19x 11 in the rear with the +42 offset.

So you going to a +42 will definitely not be a problem in the rear. The front will work fine at +42 with a 13 or 14 mm spacer. Effective offset will be with spacer about a +28 or +29. And by my calcs the wheel will sit about the same place as mine (relative to the front strut). The extra half inch of width will go to the outside. Your wheel will stick out about 12mm further than mine does in the front. That may or may not be an appearance problem to you.

That's why IMO, the widest front wheel that fits under the fender and doesn't hit the strut is the 10.5" wheel. There just simply isn't enough room, unless you go outside the front fender slightly. I can run a 295 on my 10.5" wheel, with a 4mm spacer in the front, and still stay under the fender. So I am not sure that the extra .5" of wheel buys you much either. A 10.75" wheel might be the actual widest, but find someone who makes one of those.

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