11" Be Square ....or Not?

[Champracerj]

All,

PP2 and/or 11" wide square set up for the track (road course).
I currently run my PP2 with 305/30/19 RE 71R which are directional and with PP2 wheels in theory I can not rotate my tires for wear.
I can rotate L to R ignoring the directional tread.
And physically can't rotate from to back because of the PP2 wheel offsets.

Options would be to:
Change tries to non-directional and can rotate L to R or ignore the directionality of RE71R.
or Change wheels to 19x11 48 or 50 offset and run 1" spacers in the front and can rotate F to R and L to R
I don't like the idea of running spacers on the track

What are you track guys running 305/30/19 do?

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[strengthrehab]

Most do a rotatable setup. I have 18s with 305's and I use Apex EC7's in a rotatable setup. Just makes sense. If you aren't limited by a class, do a rotatable with spacer and extended studs on the front.

 

[Champracerj]

Most do a rotatable setup. I have 18s with 305's and I use Apex EC7's in a rotatable setup. Just makes sense. If you aren't limited by a class, do a rotatable with spacer and extended studs on the front.

Leaning that way and when I go to my OEM PP2 wheels for the street remove the spacers and hope my deep lug socket is deep enough !!!

 

[PoppinJ]

If they are just being rotated for the track then on a dry day you can rotate them however you like. The tread

Leaning that way and when I go to my OEM PP2 wheels for the street remove the spacers and hope my deep lug socket is deep enough !!!

Im in the process of setting up a 305 rotatable setup. Use open lug nuts. I too will have set of street tires and Im afraid the long studs with open lugs and no spacer will look super dumb. We shall see.

 

[strengthrehab]

Meh--Form over function. I actually run different lug nuts front and back becasue my front studs are 1/2" and the rears are 14mm

 

[PoppinJ]

Meh--Form over function. I actually run different lug nuts front and back because my front studs are 1/2" and the rears are 14mm

Ive ordered my OPMustang spacer and 1 inch longer ARP Studs, suspension goodies and EC 7 Wheels get ordered this weekend. I was going to order the ford performance open ended lugs. I havnt thought much about it but Im assuming they are the same size and thread.
https://www.opmustang.com/store/p99..._Length_Stud_5_Pack_2015__Mustang.html.html#/

Was just going to grab these.
https://www.steeda.com/Ford-Performance-Mustang-Open-Back-Lug-Nut-Kit-15-17-161-M-1012-N
Is there a better option out there.

 

[Champracerj]

Ive ordered my OPMustang spacer and 1 inch longer ARP Studs, suspension goodies and EC 7 Wheels get ordered this weekend. I was going to order the ford performance open ended lugs. I havnt thought much about it but Im assuming they are the same size and thread.
https://www.opmustang.com/store/p99..._Length_Stud_5_Pack_2015__Mustang.html.html#/

Was just going to grab these.
https://www.steeda.com/Ford-Performance-Mustang-Open-Back-Lug-Nut-Kit-15-17-161-M-1012-N
Is there a better option out there.

And This https://www.amazon.com/Lisle-22800-...ocphy=9005660&hvtargid=pla-459085252314&psc=1
is recommended....

 

[strengthrehab]

I bought full front hubs when I switched and there were nuts on them already.

 

[NightmareMoon]

Easiest thing is to just have the tires dismounted and rotated on the wheels L/R & F/B once about half-way through their life.

Find a local place thats cheap. You can do a lot of $100 tire dismount rotations before you add up to the cost of a new set of wheels.

If its dry, you can definitely run the RE71Rs backwards (L/R rotate) in a pinch, but Im not sure how good that actually is for longevity.

Edit: I run square 11” Apex SM-10 wheels now and I still dismount and rotate tires mid-life on the wheels. The square setup lets me rotate F/R regularly, which helps normalize front axle camber wear (I still have <3 degrees front camber so the outside shoulders wear a little faster), but it doesn’t entirely eliminate it.

 

[Champracerj]

Easiest thing is to just have the tires dismounted and rotated on the wheels L/R & F/B once about half-way through their life.

Find a local place thats cheap. You can do a lot of $100 tire dismount rotations before you add up to the cost of a new set of wheels.

If its dry, you can definitely run the RE71Rs backwards (L/R rotate) in a pinch, but Im not sure how good that actually is for longevity.

Edit: I run square 11” Apex SM-10 wheels now and I still dismount and rotate tires mid-life on the wheels. The square setup lets me rotate F/R regularly, which helps normalize front axle camber wear (I still have <3 degrees front camber so the outside shoulders wear a little faster), but it doesn’t entirely eliminate it.

My guy changes about $125-$135 to remount and balance... your right I can do that more than 10 times for the cost of wheels.

 

[PoppinJ]

As long as it's dry I've seen several people run re71rs backwards. The tread pattern is for rain evacuation not grip. I've never run those tires so I can't speak from experiance.

 

[Plimmer]

These run in any direction and are fast, fast laps times, but also fast wear
https://www.goodyear.com/en-US/tires/eagle-f1-supercar-3r

 

[PoppinJ]

For those running a 11 in wide tire up front, was anything more than camber plates needed?
Just curious because apex recommends -3 camber for their EC7s bust most camber plates max out around 2.8ish.

I was planning on using a 25mm spacer, steeda Camber plates, and a camber bolt if needed. Hopefully the bolt isn't needed and I can get to -3 ish with FP lowering track springs and steeda plates.

 

[CTH621]

For those running a 11 in wide tire up front, was anything more than camber plates needed?
Just curious because apex recommends -3 camber for their EC7s bust most camber plates max out around 2.8ish.

I was planning on using a 25mm spacer, steeda Camber plates, and a camber bolt if needed. Hopefully the bolt isn't needed and I can get to -3 ish with FP lowering track springs and steeda plates.

Steeda plates max out around 3 to 3.2.
Most other plates like Maximum Motorsports max out at -2.5 only.
First hand experience.

 

[strike-eagle]

Any rub issues running 305s up front? I guess it depends on your offset, spacers, and camber, but what works for you all?

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