10r80 issue or by design?

[S550HPP]

It's all in the software. Get some forscan somehow ( can still buy it for apple) clear the learn and halt adaptive learning see what happens. Worst case pay the $500 or whatever for a tune.

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[CrazyHippie]

Oh I also forgot. Reminded after reading about the paddles. Sometimes when using the paddles and downshifting, doesn't always happen, it'll feel like Trans isn't in gear for a second or two, feels like its coasting then bam its in gear and feels like it surges forward. So usually I'll have to apply more brake pressure. Happened a couple times coming off the highway onto the onramp and scared the piss out of me. It'll also happen if I double paddle to come down 2 gears. My gut tells me this isn't normal?

Sounds normal, actually. There's a delay when paddle shifting, and when you downshift, it blips the throttle a bit in a rev- matching manner. On mine, I found that when downshifting from 3 to 2 it's best to wait until revs are under 2k and with 2 to 1, under 1500 and it won't be harsh and the throttle blip won't happen.

 

[ZXMustang]

The factory trans tuning is not great for sure. When we tune them, we spend more time refining the trans in the tune than we do with the PCM side. Its difficult to get the 10R80 to work properly unless you really know what you're doing. If you get it right, its a dream to drive and a monster at wide open throttle.

Our customers are quite happy with the trans tuning we do.

 

[Crew4991]

Having driven the A10 in a few Camaros, the GM programming is better than Ford’s. Would I say light years better? No, but it’s noticeable. It still hunts for gears like a blind one-eyed squirrel, but it doesn’t run smack into a tree on the 2-1 downshift like Ford’s sometime does. Mine A10 has been butter smooth since I had the fluid filled about 1,500 miles in (was 1 quart low from factory). Will get an occasional 2-1 jolt, but it’s rare these days.

Mark your car is a later model one right? Isn't it a 2022/2023?
The later years were definitely better as Ford changed things up on them to make them smoother and more reliable, but omg those 2018-2020 years were a mess for Ford. I've seen so many of those 10 speed autos go out on GTs/Ecoboosts in the earlier years with only 60k-80k miles. They were a disaster.

 

[MAGS1]

Mark your car is a later model one right? Isn't it a 2022/2023?
The later years were definitely better as Ford changed things up on them to make them smoother and more reliable, but omg those 2018-2020 years were a mess for Ford. I've seen so many of those 10 speed autos go out on GTs/Ecoboosts in the earlier years with only 60k-80k miles. They were a disaster.

Correct, mines a 2022. I believe there were some upgrades to the later 10R80’s from Ford, but I don’t know if anyone has been able to confirm that. S650 for sure got those upgrades from what I was told by the service guys at my dealer.

 

[ZXMustang]

Correct, mines a 2022. I believe there were some upgrades to the later 10R80’s from Ford, but I don’t know if anyone has been able to confirm that. S650 for sure got those upgrades from what I was told by the service guys at my dealer.

Every year they refined the shift schedules, tq convert and several other tuning parameters. We usually start any car from 2018-2021 with 22+ shift schedules and refine from there. The 24+ is all different. I’ve tested all those parameters in my 22 and they work well. Lots of tq converter optimization In the 24.

 

[Mustangpursuit]

with my 2019, the Ford Performance Calibration tune removed any jerkiness and gave better shift points and the transmission runs much smoother while keeping it conservative and NA, maybe some of that programing was carried over to factory models in later years

 

[blankman]

So today I spent a little mover and hour going through each of the modules with forscan. Changed a bunch of stuff and cleared the adaptive learning tables. So I drove it in sport mode for about 20 mins, as one of the changes I made was to disable the active exhaust as I have installed the borla non AE system. Can confirm it no longer throws a CEL with AE disabled through Forscan.

I'm thought the tables would've cleared as I've read they will with a battery disconnect. I'm not sure if that's the case as I did that while installing my strut brace and hood struts. But doing the actual clear adaptive tables through forscan has definitely done more. The car used to not shift into second till around 3 or 4k coming from a stop at partial throttle, and now its right around 2k.

I did notice the 2nd to 3rd and 4th to 5th shifts are really jerky regardless of rpm or peddle position. It seems to just slam into gear real hard. Pulling into my driveway the 2 to 1 shift seems less harsh than it did before. The downshift were quicker as we're the upshifts, but once a couple shifts it seemed like it was still searching.

I'm going to still keep my appointment next month with the dealership because I still don't know how it'll drive in normal mode over the distance to work and obviously me having them check the trans fluid or doing a flush wouldn't hurt.

Edit :: I'm not sure if anyone has the knowledge, but how exactly does the adaptive learning work? I know the adaptive strategy changes things, but is it dependent on miles driven, and rpm or wheel speed? Does it take into account stops and braking etc? I'm just really curious on how the whole system works to learn "how you drive".

 

[glockholiday]

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[blankman]

So a quick update. This past Sunday I did a clear on the learn tables for the trans. I'm pretty conservative after leaving a stop from a light or a sign. The trans used to hang in first sometimes up to or around 3k, more so when turning from a stop. No idea why. But that is dramatically better. It'll actually shift into 2nd from stops around 8 to 10 mph and not hang at all in first. Some shifts on the highway or getting up to speed (65+) are much smoother. I tested grade driving both with cruise and no cruise. The trans seems to still get confused on if it wants to hang in gear or search for something lower. The hesitation when coming up to and getting on to the round about by my house is still there. Not as bad. Getting off throttle then back on, if there is no traffic I do still get the searching for a gear when off and on throttle issue. I still get the very hard downshift and kick into first gear where it sounds like rear end is slamming together when pulling into my driveway slowly . So I just hold off throttle until I feel it engage hard into first.

I'm curious if this indicative of anything wrong with the trans? I'm obviously going to tell the tech all of this when I taken it in next month. I was curious what I may be looking at if anything.

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